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EP renewal - rejection and appeal # EP renewal - rejection and appeal Post new topic Subscribe [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 24 December 2024 06:53:02 [\#1](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6005992) 17 Hi, I am in Singapore since Mar 2023 on EP. Salary is decent, education okay. In Sep 2024, I got DP for my wife as well. My company also got EP for another person in Sep 2024. I checked for SAT and COMPASS before applying for renewal. I also got educational certificates verified by Veremark. The renewal application was rejected in Nov 2024. My company is not telling me the reason for rejection. 10-Dec-2024, company appealed the rejection. Status is shown pending. If EP renewal fails, I will be in big trouble. I suspect that company not telling me the full story. If my EP renewal appeal fails, should I request another appeal or look for another job as I need to plan for my wife as well? Company saying that they will apply S-pass if appeal fails. Will S-pass application be successful? I will need to apply for DP for wife again - all with the clock ticking. 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What did your company submit with the appeal to remove the reason(s)? If nothing, it is better you look for another employer or make plans to leave the country. Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 24 December 2024 11:39:35 [\#3](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006055) 17 My company not telling me anything. I suspect they need me otherwise they wouldn't appeal. Many of us waiting to see the outcome as this will affect the morale in the company. Many of my friends will start looking out if my appeal fails. Noone wants to face the situation that I am in. What if MOM is unhappy with my company? Will they still allow appeal to be put up and reject it later? Or simply disallow the company from appealing/applying? Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) Germany/Singapore Expert Member since 08 August 2010  Germany & Singapore Expert [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html)Germany/Singapore Expert 25 December 2024 09:57:23 [\#4](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006193) 15622 Any rejection can be appealed against - and will be decided on by MoM after another round of processing. Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3858407) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3858407) [Chefamit841509](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3858407) New member Member since 25 December 2024  [Chefamit841509](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3858407)New member 25 December 2024 14:12:11 [\#5](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006223) 3 my Ep applied on -5-12-2024 status Invalid on 16-12-2024 —- I asked to my employer he say mom ask to submit documents like salery justification and company bank statements same day (16-12-2024)employer appealed with attached company bank statements and submit reason for salery justification now I’m waiting status showing pending is there any chance of my application approval Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) Germany/Singapore Expert Member since 08 August 2010  Germany & Singapore Expert [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html)Germany/Singapore Expert 25 December 2024 19:58:14 [\#6](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006265) 15622 **@Chefamit841509** If the company can, in their appeal justification, dispel MoM‘s doubt - and no other rejection reason is found in the further process - then there is a chance of approval. Otherwise not. Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 26 December 2024 01:18:31 [\#7](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006291) 17 My company has been contributing CPF for Singaporeans that are no longer in employment. CPF Board is investigating. Heavens knows how this will affect my EP renewal. Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3858407) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3858407) [Chefamit841509](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3858407) New member Member since 25 December 2024  [Chefamit841509](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3858407)New member 26 December 2024 06:54:55 [\#8](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006321) 3 Let’s hope for the best Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 27 December 2024 02:44:38 [\#9](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006466) 17 Anyone knows what MOM does to companies that contribute CPF for non-employees in order to receive better treatment in workpass applications? Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) Germany/Singapore Expert Member since 08 August 2010  Germany & Singapore Expert [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html)Germany/Singapore Expert 27 December 2024 08:02:59 [\#10](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006522) 15622 **@Whye choo** I have never heard of companies voluntarily paying more than necessary. But if it is with criminal intentions, the results will be harsh. Better look for a job at a more honest employer\! Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 27 December 2024 14:36:01 [\#11](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006570) 17 This is actually very common. Many welfare schemes and EP numbers are based on amount of cpf contributed. At some stage, the rewards are worth the risk. Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) Germany/Singapore Expert Member since 08 August 2010  Germany & Singapore Expert [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html)Germany/Singapore Expert 27 December 2024 18:18:44 [\#12](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006595) 15622 In Singapore, the risk (of sooner or later being found breaking the rules) and the consequence (very harsh penalties) is always higher than the potential reward. In a word: DON‘T\! Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 28 December 2024 07:20:13 [\#13](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6006659) 17 When caught, companies just pay the penalty. Noone goes to jail. Other times companies just profess the ignorance of rules and get away with a fine. I have seen far too many of these cases. I won't do it but for others, I don't know. Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 23 January 2025 12:56:35 [\#14](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6015719) 17 EP renewal appeal rejected even when I scored 50 on COMPASS. I really suspect now that the company's hanky panky is causing me so much trouble. Company now tells me that they will apply s-pass for me. No clue if it will get approved. Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) Germany/Singapore Expert Member since 08 August 2010  Germany & Singapore Expert [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html)Germany/Singapore Expert 23 January 2025 13:37:52 [\#15](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6015740) 15622 As I wrote above: You better look for a new job at a more honest employer\! (I am serious about this, as your dismissal of rule-breaking as "common" is simply unwarranted!) Besides: Why would you agree on being downgraded to S-Pass? Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=1630055) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=1630055) [ajosshi](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=1630055) Member Member since 25 October 2015  [ajosshi](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=1630055)Member 27 January 2025 02:39:56 [\#16](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6016737) 17 **@Whye choo** This looks so similar with your case: [https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ … ons-to-mom](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/5-construction-company-directors-among-11-nabbed-over-false-employment-declarations-to-mom) Like 1 Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 29 January 2025 14:43:12 [\#17](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6017711) 17 **@ajosshi** So I am in good company, lol Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 02 February 2025 12:31:18 [\#18](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6019055) 17 How commonly do employees change their pass type while working for the same employer? This person I know was on EP but now has moved to S-pass. He is working for the same employer. He told me that there was some riffraff between his employer and MOM and this was a solution everyone is happy with. I think this is a way MOM can get more revenue in the form of levy as well. Any inputs are welcome. Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html) Germany/Singapore Expert Member since 08 August 2010  Germany & Singapore Expert [beppi](https://www.expat.com/en/profile/134051-beppi.html)Germany/Singapore Expert 02 February 2025 14:04:40 [\#19](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6019073) 15622 EP and S-Pass are not interchangeable - they have different requirements and rights (notleast when you want to bring family members). Read about this on the MoM webpage\! Since S-Pass is lower than EP, I think an employee should not agree to such a downgrade without sufficient compensation in other ways. What did your company offer? Like Reply [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992) Member Member since 23 December 2024  [Whye choo](https://www.expat.com/forum/profile.php?id=3857992)Member 02 February 2025 14:44:12 [\#20](https://www.expat.com/en/forum/asia/singapore/1089503-ep-renewal-rejection-and-appeal.html#6019081) 17 There is really no "downgrade" for the individual. S-pass has a lower minimum salary than employment pass. Otherwise these are very similar. If you have a decent salary, you can get dependents on s-pass as well. There really is no difference in the passes as far as the pass-holder goes. These passes are not interchangeable but it appears that some company and MOM specific factors are at work. By forcing the company to get s-pass instead of EP, MOM is forcing the company to shell out a levy (which adds to the cost of the employee for the company and gets some income for the government on the side). S-pass is exempt from COMPASS but quotas apply. Perhaps companies that are scoring poorly on COMPASS are being offered this choice - pay levy if you want to hire foreigners. Those on this forum who know better may be able to offer insights. Like Reply [Plan your international move Facilitate your move to Singapore by getting a free quote from our top rated movers. 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Hi, I am in Singapore since Mar 2023 on EP. Salary is decent, education okay. In Sep 2024, I got DP for my wife as well. My company also got EP for another person in Sep 2024. I checked for SAT and COMPASS before applying for renewal. I also got educational certificates verified by Veremark. The renewal application was rejected in Nov 2024. My company is not telling me the reason for rejection. 10-Dec-2024, company appealed the rejection. Status is shown pending. If EP renewal fails, I will be in big trouble. I suspect that company not telling me the full story. If my EP renewal appeal fails, should I request another appeal or look for another job as I need to plan for my wife as well? Company saying that they will apply S-pass if appeal fails. Will S-pass application be successful? I will need to apply for DP for wife again - all with the clock ticking.