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1. Shard Calculation

Query:

Response:

Calculated Shard: 47 (from laksa190)

2. Crawled Status Check

Query:

curl -X POST \
  'http://laksa047.int.ahrefs:8124/' \
  -H 'Content-Type: text/plain' \
  -H 'X-ClickHouse-Database: crawler3' \
  -H 'Authorization: Basic YXBpOg==' \
  -d 'SELECT getAhrefsURLFromUnparsed(src_unparsed) AS found_url, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(download_stamp), 0) AS crawl_time, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(props_url_first_seen), 0) AS first_indexed_time, download_http_code AS http_code, src_unparsed AS src_unparsed, src_root_hash AS src_root_hash, history_drop_reason AS history_drop_reason, meta_title AS meta_title, meta_descriptions AS meta_descriptions, attrs_boilerpipe_text AS attrs_boilerpipe_text, attrs_markdown AS attrs_markdown, attrs_readable_markdown AS attrs_readable_markdown, meta_canonical AS meta_canonical, ml_categories_json AS ml_categories_json, ml_types_json AS ml_types_json, ml_intent_types_json AS ml_intent_types_json, meta_language AS meta_language, attrs_author AS attrs_author, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(attrs_publish_time), 0) AS attrs_publish_time, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(attrs_original_publish_time), 0) AS attrs_original_publish_time, ifNull(attrs_is_republished, 0) AS attrs_is_republished, ifNull(attrs_nr_words, 0) AS attrs_nr_words, ifNull(attrs_boilerpipe_nr_words, 0) AS attrs_boilerpipe_nr_words, ifNull(body_ext_links_number, 0) AS body_ext_links_number, ifNull(body_int_links_number, 0) AS body_int_links_number, ifNull(meta_nofollow, 0) AS meta_nofollow, ifNull(meta_noarchive, 0) AS meta_noarchive, ifNull(props_was_rendered, 0) AS props_was_rendered, ifNull(src_redirect, \'\') AS src_redirect, ifNull(download_time_msec, 0) AS download_time_msec, ifNull(download_ttfb_msec, 0) AS download_ttfb_msec, ifNull(download_size, 0) AS download_size FROM crawler3.page_info_local FINAL PREWHERE (src_root_hash, src_unparsed) IN ((getAhrefsRootHashFromUnparsed(getAhrefsUnparsedNoserviceFromURL(\'https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement\')), getAhrefsUnparsedNoserviceFromURL(\'https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement\'))) FORMAT JSONEachRow'

Response:

{"found_url":"https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement","crawl_time":1775801634,"first_indexed_time":1757439492,"http_code":200,"src_unparsed":"com,dpreview!www,\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement s443","src_root_hash":"18102186557855286447","history_drop_reason":null,"meta_title":"Apple announces the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro: DPReview | Photography News, Gear Reviews & Community","meta_descriptions":["The standard 17 has a bigger, brighter display, and each phone gets a nicer camera."],"attrs_boilerpipe_text":"Image: Apple\nApple has announced its latest lineup of smartphones, the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro. It features two cameras, including an upgraded ultra-wide model, and retains the Camera Control button from the previous generation.\niPhone 17 Pro\nImage: Apple\nThe company says it designed the iPhone 17 Pro \"from scratch.\" It now features an aluminium frame, rather than a titanium one.\nRecent Videos\nWhile the main and ultra wide cameras appear to have been untouched, the telephoto camera has gotten an upgrade, making it so all three rear cameras are now 48MP. Previously, the\ntelephoto camera was only 12MP\n. Perhaps more importantly, the sensor has around 56% more area as well: it's now 23.5mm² compared to the iPhone 16 Pro's 15.3mm² telephoto sensor.\nImage: Apple\nThe larger sensor comes at the cost of a little less reach; the iPhone 16 Pro's telephoto camera was a \"5x\" 120mm equiv., while the 17 Pro's is a 4x 100mm equiv. model. However, the company uses the extra resolution to provide an 8x mode, taken from a center crop of the telephoto camera's sensor, similar to the 2x mode for the main camera.\niPhone 17 Pro \/ Pro Max\nFocal length\nPixel count\nSensor size\nf\/number\nCrop factor\nMain (24mm equiv.)\n48MP\nType 1\/1.28 (71.5mm²)\nF1.78\n~3.5x\nUltra wide (13mm equiv)\n48MP\nType 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²)\nF2.2\n~6.2x\nTelephoto (100mm equiv)\n48MP\nType 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²)\nF2.8\n~6.2x\nThe new front-facing camera lets you take landscape selfies without having to turn your phone.\nImage: Apple\nThe phone also gets a new F1.9 \"Center Stage\" selfie camera, which Apple says is twice as large as the previous model. While the company is a bit cagey on details, the iPhone 16 had a Type 1\/3.6 sensor, which was around 12mm². Presumably, this means the new camera is around 24mm². It's also now 18MP, up from 12, and is square rather than 4:3, letting users take landscape selfies without having to rotate their phone. This isn't the first time we've seen this approach; GoPro has been doing something similar since the Hero 11 Black.\nOn the video side, the iPhone 17 Pro can now record in ProRes Raw, which Apple says will provide even more room to edit your footage in post. You can't shoot with the codec in the standard camera app, but it's available in the Final Cut Camera and BlackMagic Camera app. Apple has also worked with BlackMagic to create a dock for the phone, which adds Genlock support.\nImage: Apple\nThe phone is powered by the A19 Pro SOC, which Apple says is now attached to a newly-designed vapor chamber, designed to keep the chip performing well without making the phone uncomfortably hot to hold. It moves heat away from the back of the phone and spreads it out across the aluminum frame.\nUnder that heatsink, the A19 Pro features 16 GPU cores, and the company says it should provide up to 40% better performance than the processor found in the iPhone 16 Pro. It features what Apple says is the \"biggest battery in any iPhone,\" which can power up to 33 hours of video playback on the regular-sized model, and 39 hours on the Pro Max.\nThe 17 Pro will start at $1099 with 256GB of storage. That's a\nde facto\n$100 bump in price compared to the base 16 Pro, which came with 128GB of storage, though it's less than the 256GB iPhone 16 Pro. The Pro Max starts at $1199 for a 256GB model, and is available with up to 2TB of storage.\niPhone 17\nImage: Apple\nThe iPhone 17's camera setup has been improved, with the ultra-wide camera being upgraded to use a 48MP sensor, rather than a 12MP one. The phone will also now default to 24MP output files, rather than 12MP ones. It also gets the upgraded Center Stage selfie camera found in the Pro.\niPhone 17\nFocal length\nPixel count\nSensor size\nf\/number\nCrop factor\nMain (26mm equiv.)\n48MP\nType 1\/1.56 (48mm²)\nF1.6\n~4.3x\nUltra wide (13mm equiv)\n48MP\nType 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²)\nF2.2\n~6.2x\nThe phone's main camera appears to be the same 48MP model used by its predecessor, with the ability to crop in to the center region for a 2x zoom.\nThe display is bigger, but there's no longer a larger option.\nImage: Apple\nThe iPhone 17 has a 6.3\" display (compared to the 16's 6.1\" model) with a 3000 nit peak brightness and \"ProMotion,\" meaning it can run at 120Hz, rather than 60. It uses an adaptive refresh rate, so it doesn't spend a ton of power refreshing the screen while nothing's happening. The company has done away with the \"Plus\" model, which featured a 6.7\" display.\nThe 17 comes with a new processor, the A19, which Apple says is substantially more power efficient than the A18. It starts with 256GB of storage, double what the iPhone 16 started with. The phone starts at $799, the same as its predecessor.\nApple also announced the iPhone 17 Air, a thinner and lighter model than its more typical offerings. 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iPhone 17 and 17 Pro\n![](https:\/\/2.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/TC1x1S40~avatars\/9088978798\/3\/avatar.jpg) ![](https:\/\/4.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/TC1x1S40~avatars\/0173959796\/8\/avatar.jpg)\n\nBy [Mitchell Clark](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mitchell.clark), [Dale Baskin](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/dale.baskin)\n\n[Comments (193)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement#viewComments)\n\nPublished Sep 9, 2025\n\n|   |   |\n|---|---|\n| Share | [Tweet](https:\/\/twitter.com\/share) |\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-colors](https:\/\/2.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-colors.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-colors.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nApple has announced its latest lineup of smartphones, the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro. It features two cameras, including an upgraded ultra-wide model, and retains the Camera Control button from the previous generation.\n\n## iPhone 17 Pro\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras](https:\/\/2.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe company says it designed the iPhone 17 Pro \"from scratch.\" It now features an aluminium frame, rather than a titanium one.\n\nRecent Videos\n\nWhile the main and ultra wide cameras appear to have been untouched, the telephoto camera has gotten an upgrade, making it so all three rear cameras are now 48MP. Previously, the [telephoto camera was only 12MP](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/8163093616\/iphone-16-pro-worth-upgrading-13-14-15-apple-cameras). Perhaps more importantly, the sensor has around 56% more area as well: it's now 23.5mm² compared to the iPhone 16 Pro's 15.3mm² telephoto sensor.\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array](https:\/\/3.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe larger sensor comes at the cost of a little less reach; the iPhone 16 Pro's telephoto camera was a \"5x\" 120mm equiv., while the 17 Pro's is a 4x 100mm equiv. model. However, the company uses the extra resolution to provide an 8x mode, taken from a center crop of the telephoto camera's sensor, similar to the 2x mode for the main camera.\n\n| iPhone 17 Pro \/ Pro Max |   |   |   |   |\n|---|---|---|---|---|\n| Focal length | Pixel count | Sensor size | f\/number | Crop factor |\n| Main (24mm equiv.) | 48MP | Type 1\/1.28 (71.5mm²) | F1.78 | ~3.5x |\n| Ultra wide (13mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.2 | ~6.2x |\n| Telephoto (100mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.8 | ~6.2x |\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action](https:\/\/1.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TC4x3S590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action.jpeg) |\n| The new front-facing camera lets you take landscape selfies without having to turn your phone. *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe phone also gets a new F1.9 \"Center Stage\" selfie camera, which Apple says is twice as large as the previous model. While the company is a bit cagey on details, the iPhone 16 had a Type 1\/3.6 sensor, which was around 12mm². Presumably, this means the new camera is around 24mm². It's also now 18MP, up from 12, and is square rather than 4:3, letting users take landscape selfies without having to rotate their phone. This isn't the first time we've seen this approach; GoPro has been doing something similar since the Hero 11 Black.\n\nOn the video side, the iPhone 17 Pro can now record in ProRes Raw, which Apple says will provide even more room to edit your footage in post. You can't shoot with the codec in the standard camera app, but it's available in the Final Cut Camera and BlackMagic Camera app. Apple has also worked with BlackMagic to create a dock for the phone, which adds Genlock support.\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications](https:\/\/2.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe phone is powered by the A19 Pro SOC, which Apple says is now attached to a newly-designed vapor chamber, designed to keep the chip performing well without making the phone uncomfortably hot to hold. It moves heat away from the back of the phone and spreads it out across the aluminum frame.\n\nUnder that heatsink, the A19 Pro features 16 GPU cores, and the company says it should provide up to 40% better performance than the processor found in the iPhone 16 Pro. It features what Apple says is the \"biggest battery in any iPhone,\" which can power up to 33 hours of video playback on the regular-sized model, and 39 hours on the Pro Max.\n\nThe 17 Pro will start at \\$1099 with 256GB of storage. That's a *de facto* \\$100 bump in price compared to the base 16 Pro, which came with 128GB of storage, though it's less than the 256GB iPhone 16 Pro. The Pro Max starts at \\$1199 for a 256GB model, and is available with up to 2TB of storage.\n\n## iPhone 17\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2](https:\/\/1.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe iPhone 17's camera setup has been improved, with the ultra-wide camera being upgraded to use a 48MP sensor, rather than a 12MP one. The phone will also now default to 24MP output files, rather than 12MP ones. It also gets the upgraded Center Stage selfie camera found in the Pro.\n\n| iPhone 17 |   |   |   |   |\n|---|---|---|---|---|\n| Focal length | Pixel count | Sensor size | f\/number | Crop factor |\n| Main (26mm equiv.) | 48MP | Type 1\/1.56 (48mm²) | F1.6 | ~4.3x |\n| Ultra wide (13mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.2 | ~6.2x |\n\nThe phone's main camera appears to be the same 48MP model used by its predecessor, with the ability to crop in to the center region for a 2x zoom.\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras](https:\/\/2.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TC4x3S590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras.jpeg) |\n| The display is bigger, but there's no longer a larger option. *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe iPhone 17 has a 6.3\" display (compared to the 16's 6.1\" model) with a 3000 nit peak brightness and \"ProMotion,\" meaning it can run at 120Hz, rather than 60. It uses an adaptive refresh rate, so it doesn't spend a ton of power refreshing the screen while nothing's happening. The company has done away with the \"Plus\" model, which featured a 6.7\" display.\n\nThe 17 comes with a new processor, the A19, which Apple says is substantially more power efficient than the A18. It starts with 256GB of storage, double what the iPhone 16 started with. The phone starts at \\$799, the same as its predecessor.\n***\nApple also announced the iPhone 17 Air, a thinner and lighter model than its more typical offerings. You can [check out our story about it here](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/4849117269\/apple-iphone-17-air-announced#viewComments).\n\nTags: [apple](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/tag\/apple), [iphone](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/tag\/iphone), [smartphone](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/tag\/smartphone)\n\nView Comments (193)\n\n## Comments\nAll (193)\n\nMost popular (15)\n\nEditors' picks (1)\n\nDPR staff (5)\n\nOldest first\n\n[![Myles Baker]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0915255404)\n\n[Myles Baker](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0915255404)\n\nI don't usually comment on apple releases as I have never owned an apple product (my daughter had an early iphone & ipad) & generally had no interest in them, but....  \nForget the phone specs for a minute, I could see .y self buying one of these, just to get access to the babel fish (airpods).  \nThat's got to be the coolest features ever if it works.  \nMove over Arthur Dent, out of the way Ford Prefect, there's a new kid in town.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0115126255)\n\n[TejaWe](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2990268737)\n\nNew, yet more of the same. I can't recall the last time I saw a new phone and thought, \"wow, I must have\".\n\nLike\n\n5\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8094320435)\n\n[![Roberto Peradotto]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4840107561)\n\n[Roberto Peradotto](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4840107561)\n\nIs the 17 Pro's screen the same size as the 16 Pro or 16 Pro Max?\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9669289530)\n\n[Oiche](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6685337475)\n\n6\\.3\" vs 6.1\" vs 6.9\"\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6718667715)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nThe 16 Pro and 16 Pro Max screens are the same size as the 17 Pro and 17 Pro Max screens.\n\nOiche is mistaken about a 6.1-inch screen.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9860534868)\n\n[Oiche](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6685337475)\n\nSorry, misunderstood his question properly.\n\nPro 6.3\" on both\n\nPro Max 6.9\" on both\n\nI just got 16 Pro Max 512GB\n\nMakes me realise how good a real camera is... I own a Lumix S5ii\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6647662935)\n\n[elcapitanoak](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/8203111670)\n\nCan DPReview please add this to the studio scene? Been looking at point and shoots and it’d be helpful to understand how much of a quality improvement one is over the other.\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3181338884)\n\n[ottonis](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3657527695)\n\nSo, Apple's newest and greatest tele module has a sensor of the 1\/2.55\" type. Modern cameraphones, however, use tele-sensors of the 1\/1.4\"-type, which are approximately 300% larger in area size than the iPhone sensor.  \nIn other words: when it comes to tele-sensors, the iPhone 17 pro is 2 generations behind the competition.  \nThat reminds me of the old meme \"Son, I am disappoint\"\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5213571008)\n\n[digilt](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6776074727)\n\nThe main image sensor in the iPhone 17 Pro is 1\/1.3\", bigger than the 1\/1.4\", but small tan the iPhone 16 Pro's 1\/1.28\".\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3664999901)\n\n[ottonis](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3657527695)\n\nApple's \\*tele\\* sensor is much smaller than other phones' tele sensors and its main sensor is also smaller than some competitor's main sensors (1\").  \nPhysically, it is inferior in every department when compared to the best flagship cameraphones.  \nPlease note that this concerns only the physical dimensions of the sensors and not the quality of the image processing pipeline.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7029387155)\n\n[kb2zuz](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5109621645)\n\nSamsung does have a 1\/1.4” sensor but its pixel pitch is less than 0.6 microns, while the 1\/2.55” sensor apple is using I think has closer to 1.2 micron pitch. Samsung has a bigger physical sensor but then crams in 4x as many pixels, meaning each pixel is much smaller.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3411870523)\n\n[![YouAreTheChief]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2483316169)\n\n[YouAreTheChief](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2483316169)\n\nI am on an iPhone 11 pro 256GB. Came out in 2019, which seems like a different age now. In the phone photography space, I might as well been shooting on a twin reflex camera. Changed batteries two times, no cracked screens so far. But lightning is becoming annoying and my main camera module are missing focus (I assume the OIS has started malfunctioning)\n\nThere seems to be a bigger and bigger crowd saying \"I don't need to upgrade\". And I would agree. Of course upgrading every 1-2 years is silly - by my standards at least.\n\n6 generations of iPhones is a nice enough jump for me. USB-C, 48mpx sensors, LiDAR and a nicer cooling system will be great fun I am sure. The 120hz screen, 5G, WiFi7, magsafe, smaller notch are alright but i could truly say they are not needed.\n\nEnjoy your tech people - don't give into the marketing hype. See you at iPhone 23 Pro \\!\n\nLike\n\n5\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1374756622)\n\n[Tony Hall](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7099950314)\n\nRemember the iPhone 8? I still have one that I use as a dedicated monitor for the Pocket 3. It's small, thin, smooth and light with a flush camera and rounded corners. This is a phone that's nice to hold and put in your pocket.\n\nThis new pro phone looks like its made of Lego and I'm sure is fairly heavy. With the current trajectory, I feel like we may be discussing whether or not phones are \"pocketable\" ten years from now. 😂\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4878013155)\n\n[nickolas84](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2536745923)\n\nRegarding the tele lens on the Pro models: the actual aperture is exactly the same between the 16pro and 17pro (lens MM and sensor size is different in a way that cancel one out, f\/2.8 in both cases)  \nSo diffraction is the same... and surely this is a diffraction limited system. As a matter of fact in the 16Pro it was around diffraction limit and now at 48MP in the 17Pro it is well past that.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5633176355)\n\n[![0lf]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6031414090)\n\n[0lf](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6031414090)\n\nNow that the first review and pictures are released, it is obvious you are completely wrong.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4413589720)\n\n[![Ryan Schwartz]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3613949135)\n\n[Ryan Schwartz](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3613949135)\n\nWhich iPhone will be the first with a one-inch sensor?\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4781777054)\n\n[Mike Yorkshire](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6474831431)\n\niPhone 27 :-)\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9145884171)\n\n[Ted Erl](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9202901268)\n\nClassic Apple, redefining terms while redefining your wallet.  \nApple’s marketing loves to blur the line between optical zoom and digital trickery. True optical zoom requires physical lens movement, glass elements shifting to change focal length. What they’re doing here is using a high-resolution sensor to crop in digitally and then slapping the word “optical” on it like it’s a designer label.  \nIt’s clever branding, not engineering. The result might look decent thanks to computational photography, but it’s still a crop.  \nHonestly, if Apple ever sells a potato and calls it a “smart starch-based imaging assistant,” I wouldn’t be surprised.\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8371879513)\n\n[Uncle Ricoh](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9957146885)\n\nYou're not wrong. But I will argue that 99% of people no longer care that they're being exposed to deceptive marketing. They only care about the end result, and you conceded that the end result \"might look decent\". That's all that matters to consumers these days. For folks like you and me, we'll have to stick to \"real\" cameras. There is a reason I carry my GR III around with me all the time. There is a discernable difference in image quality even if others around me don't notice it.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4202613464)\n\n[Eric00](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/8350956110)\n\nApple and other smartphone makers do get creative with their marketing, but the market numbers show how little the consumer cares about all these details. In 2024 alone 94% of all photographs taken in the world (1.9 trillion in 2024 and expected to reach 2.1 trillion in 2025) were taken with smartphones. In social media alone, 14 billion images are shared daily. Yes, daily. So, that 94% of photographs taken with smartphones will likely increase, and the consumers around the world don't care much about the box that took the photo; they care about what they are seeing, perfect or not. I love my cameras and use them almost on a daily basis, but reality is reality. This battle has been lost to smartphones for 99%+ of the world's population. They love their smartphones and there's no stopping them.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0671259082)\n\n[![Dale Baskin]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/dale.baskin)\n\n[Dale Baskin](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/dale.baskin)\n\nIn fairness to Apple, it’s not the only company using the term “optical zoom” to describe what is, in effect, digital zoom enhanced by some computational techniques. However, as others have pointed out, most consumers probably don’t care about or fully understand this distinction.\n\nThat said, knowledge is power. Understanding how these cameras work allows knowledgeable users to get the best possible results from such cameras, should they choose to use them.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4125190672)\n\n[deep7](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5291162839)\n\nI note, as well, that they claim to have OIS sensor shift. Well, which is it, optical or sensor? It makes as much sense as the oxymoronic term \"quad bike\"...\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2009412960)\n\n[DM-CO](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5897581144)\n\nIn my opinion, vast majority of buyers don’t care. They ONLY care about the images that they get. When “marketing nonsense” runs headlong into technical purists, there is always a collision, regardless of industry or product. Apple will sell hundreds of millions of these phones to people who look at the result of the cameras and the “flexibility” that they have and they will enjoy the product. 10,000 purists will be upset and decide to not buy the camera.\n\nSeems like everyone gets what they want in the end.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0433265178)\n\n[deep7](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5291162839)\n\nThat may well be true in many cases but the real problem is that the results around a normal field of view will actually be worse than an iPhone several generations earlier will produce. So no, not everybody gets what they want.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9256403952)\n\n[![DirkPeh]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6495912629)\n\n[DirkPeh](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6495912629)\n\nI am at a loss! I don’t get the sensor sizes. How can a sensor have 50% more surface area, but still isn’t even 1” large. Aren’t sensor sizes equal to the surface areas?\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5515972698)\n\n[Uncle Ricoh](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9957146885)\n\nI think (1) Apple is lying, or (2) iPhone sensor sizes were so microscopically small that even by increasing sensor sizes 50% every other year, they're still not up to 1 inch.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2439625941)\n\n[![DirkPeh]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6495912629)\n\n[DirkPeh](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6495912629)\n\nBut since years they are described as being 1\/1.2 and similar. Even in the table above. My 14Pro main camera is described as being 1\/1.28. Underneath a quote from the DPR review of the 14 Pro:  \n“The Pro models gain larger sensors for their main cameras, jumping from 12MP Type 1\/1.7 (7.5x5.7mm) to 48MP Type 1\/1.28 (9.8x7.3mm) quad-pixel chips.”  \n<https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/articles\/6110937480>\n\n1” would equal 13.2 x 8.8 mm =116 square mm\n\nFrom the above DPR table for the 24 main camera of the 17 Pro:  \nType 1\/1.28 (71.5mm²)\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5542200330)\n\n[![matttelz]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5550996463)\n\n[matttelz](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5550996463)\n\nOh man! Thank you Mitchell Clark and Dale Baskin for including the table of the sensor sizes... I was literally about to go on a wild goose chase to try and find the sensor sizes of the 17...low and behold DPreview does it again.   \nConfirmed my suspicion... my new iphone 16e really is wimpy with its 1\/3\" sensor...ouch\n\nLike\n\n5\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4712038367)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nI think the 16e has a 1\/2.55″-type sensor, actually. Still wimpy.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6997253247)\n\n[JDR1429](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4297927645)\n\nInteresting 48 megapixels on a small sensor. And some manufactures are stuck on 20. Same introductory price as it's predecessor despite tariffs and has more storage.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2257708434)\n\n[Tailslol](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/8535403337)\n\nCan we acknowledge how crazy it is that a phone can shoot ProRes Raw at 4k 120? Only some of the best of the best mirrorless cameras can shoot internal Raw video at 4K 120 fps, and obviously professional film cameras like Red, Arri, Blackmagic.\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3705886259)\n\n[Tony Hall](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7099950314)\n\nMy thought is: why does a phone need to do that? Just seems like a kind of extreme thing for a phone to do. I'd be more impressed if they could make the lens flush with the back of the body again instead of that giant frankenstein hump sticking out of the back. Apple has literally gotten weird with the choices they make. The cameras supposedly get better every year but yet the pictures seem to look worse than they did ten years ago.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9476639892)\n\n[Tailslol](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/8535403337)\n\nThey are trying to market the pro to the filmmaker crowd. That's why.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8206994361)\n\n[Oiche](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6685337475)\n\nThe reason is insanely fast processor, faster than pro camera processors.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4039439230)\n\n[Tailslol](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/8535403337)\n\nRaw video is more about the bandwidth. It's not compressed too much so the processor isn't used as much as H.265 compression. So the phone must have a really fast internal SSD and bandwidth.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6602875109)\n\n[Oiche](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6685337475)\n\nJust tested it on iPhone 16 Pro Max 512GB\n\n1842MB\/s write\n\n1077MB\/s read\n\nThe write speed is more than 6x faster than my budget flagship Poco F6 Android phone\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5552085367)\n\n[DM-CO](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5897581144)\n\n@Tony Hall: one reason, among many, is that iPhones are, in some situations, indeed used by pros who need to shoot with those specs. Is an iPhone the perfect tool for every pro video situation? NO. Is it a great tool for SOME situations? YES. Will working pros buy multiple iPhones to be able to use this capability? YES.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6022696556)\n\n[L Lenson](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5610722971)\n\nI wish the telephoto was shorter. The 70-90 mm range is too low resolution, for my taste.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1637065429)\n\n[deep7](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5291162839)\n\nExactly. There is a massive, gaping hole in the most useful focal length\/field of view ranges! Personally, I think a 24\/48\/96 equivalent trio would be most useful but, allowing for people being addicted to going wide and some cropping being acceptable, 20\/40\/80 would also be excellent. But no, it's 13\/24(6?)\/100. Insane.\n\nMaybe there will be four cameras next time, if they are unwilling to drop the gimmicky 13?\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5309429022)\n\n[deep7](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5291162839)\n\nTo give that another perspective, when I look at the best iPhone photos I have taken in the last few years, about 90% of them would be seriously compromised to the point of near-uselessness, using the new camera array. I think less than one in a hundred were taken with the ultra-wide. Oddly, I have had a few keepers using the camera vertically, using the middle lens with the panorama function.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1718272830)\n\n[L Lenson](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5610722971)\n\nYes drop the UWA camera and replace with 50 mm would be ideal from a photographers perspective. It's a bit funny the 17 Pro is still not resolving more than my Iphone 8+ from 50-99 mm. Yet they keep shouting how good the camera is. Luckily people interested in photography still use real cameras.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1690226829)\n\n[bergat](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6539224975)\n\nWhat new features without of Photografic issues? i think to remain with Iphoine 15 that for me is ok to call and tramision of data.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6259285368)\n\n[Martino74](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9242555130)\n\nEven though I’d kind of given up on photography, I’ve got the itch for street shooting again and I just pre-ordered the Ricoh GR IV... but now I’m having second thoughts. For the same price, it would mean one less device in my pocket… I’d love to hear from more experienced folks if the image quality is really comparable :-)\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4461881210)\n\n[Staralfur](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7187191252)\n\nI can't find myself using my phone to take pictures other of small objects to send to friends or a small video, i also use a bad phone so maybe that's why but i feel the need of using a proper camera with controls, for street i use mostly my fujifilm x10 or xt1.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5527998492)\n\n[Tony Hall](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7099950314)\n\nWow, you're the second person to use the phrase \"given up on photography\" in this section. What does that mean to you? If you use a phone, you've still given up on photography because with a phone, you're basically just watching a live video feed and capturing still frames. I don't find phone shooting to be anything like the camera shooting experience.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2747626315)\n\n[Uncle Ricoh](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9957146885)\n\nImage quality is only part of the photo-taking experience. And for most people the differences in image quality are not very discernable. The GR IV image quality will be very similar to the GR III. You can look at GR III sample photos to get an idea of what you'd be getting. To me, there is something that feels much more organic about photos taken with my GR III than my iPhone. It's almost like the difference between a video clip made with AI versus a real video. Something just feels off...\n\nThe GR shooting experience is miles and miles ahead of using an iPhone imo. All of the controls are so thoughtfully laid out. You can truly use the GR one handed. Getting your photos to your phone is pretty quick and painless, too with Ricoh's app. If taking photos is something you're wanting to get back into, the GR IV will be the perfect camera for you to take with you everywhere. I find that I'm documenting my life much more with my GR III. I'm obviously biased toward GRs given my username :P\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1714647256)\n\n[DM-CO](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5897581144)\n\nI use my iPhone 14 Pro Max as my primary camera. My fujis and long glass are just used for birding.\n\nI will likely buy the 17 Pro Max as I would like 48mp on the tele and while100mm is maybe a bit too long (85 would have been great), the 12mp tele chip on the 14 PM is not great.\n\nHead on over to the mobile forums on DPR and you will find lots of folks who use a smartphone as their primary camera.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8216328540)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nBlackmagic has just announced ProRes RAW support in DaVinci Resolve:\n\n<https:\/\/www.blackmagicdesign.com\/media\/release\/20250910-02>\n\nPretty cool. Free update.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2655455629)\n\n[Tailslol](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/8535403337)\n\nIt's weird that Resolve did not have that support already, since it has support for even NRaw, a much less used Raw format.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2179822103)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nI found that very weird. ProRes RAW support has been one of the most-requested features in Resolve for years.\n\nIt was never clear to me if the hold-up was Apple wanting to sell more copies of Final Cut Pro or Blackmagic wanting to lock in hardware sales to Resolve users (Resolve being very widely used).\n\nAnyway. Fixed at last.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1299348069)\n\n[![Ryan Schwartz]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3613949135)\n\n[Ryan Schwartz](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3613949135)\n\nAwesome! My suspicion is that Apple wanted to keep it exclusive to Final Cut for sales, but perhaps software sales has plateaued enough that Apple decided to license the codec.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8965230567)\n\n[Zorgon2](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5166447313)\n\nI see the 17 pro as the ultimate camera for those of us who have given up on photography.\n\nLike\n\n9\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1496011966)\n\n[Oiche](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6685337475)\n\nI recently bought iPhone 16 Pro Max and it makes me appreciate owning a Lumix S5ii FF 😎\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0892256971)\n\n[![José B]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\n[José B](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\nLooks like it's a great upgrade from my 14 Pro Max. Hope I can hand-in my 14 at a nearby Apple store rather than mailing it for the trade-in.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3273884234)\n\n[![Hans Z]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2020616260)\n\n[Hans Z](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2020616260)\n\nWill also upgrade from my iPhone 14 Pro Max. I really like the brighter screen and improved cooling as I live in a country where the day time temperature does not go below 30C. Having a large smartphone screen makes photography & videography more fun for me, and I don't have any problem with the smartphone ergonomy even though I was born in the 1960:s ;)\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1511873889)\n\n[![José B]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\n[José B](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\n@ Hans Z :-) I’m so excited, just don’t know if I should splurge to 1TB or stay with 512GB. Wonder if I could back up to my Crucial 10 but I also have iCloud up to 200GB. Maybe I can do a model shoot in a hotel pool and most definitely take some tennis shots with it. Photo ops abound\\!\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5957686964)\n\n[![Hans Z]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2020616260)\n\n[Hans Z](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2020616260)\n\n@Jose B, I am leaning towards the 1TB although it will deplete my wallet in a significant way. Currently I have the 512GB old phone.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6850918620)\n\n[![José B]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\n[José B](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\n@ Hans Z yeah I’m 60% leaning on 1 TB….blue. Maybe I should watch Dua Lipa again :-)\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2578937017)\n\n[![José B]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\n[José B](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\nSo I did the pre- before the pre-sale (9\/12 @ 8am)\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0834081244)\n\n[DM-CO](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5897581144)\n\nI too will likely buy a 17 pro max and give my wife my 14 pro max. I want to wait on some reviews on the tele camera\/lens though before I decide. It can’t be worse than the 14PM’s tele but the question is “how much better”?\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0312472781)\n\n[![José B]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\n[José B](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7189725205)\n\n@DM-CO , IMHO the specs alone is a massive upgrade from the 14 Pro Max. I’ll soon find out when I pick it up next week.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2022171325)\n\n[dnaeye](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1077976397)\n\nI was really hoping for variable aperture. Maybe next year then...\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0308177209)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nI was hoping for internal variable ND filter.\n\nCan’t understand why no-one is doing this. It would TRANSFORM the video quality you get from a phone. And Apple could automate it all and market it as cinematic, etc., taking all the calculations and thought out of it.\n\nWhat’s the hold-up?\n\nSurely there are people at Apple fighting for this development?\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6504379840)\n\n[![YouAreTheChief]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2483316169)\n\n[YouAreTheChief](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2483316169)\n\n@Samuel I think they are choosing not to do it because most serious iPhone videographers rig their iPhones and add filters as needed.\n\nAdding an internal ND filters for millions upon millions of phones would be a total waste as most buyers can't be bothered with such technological intricacies. Even if you pointed them at their phone having ND filters, they would probably try it once and forget it exists.\n\nI am sure it's a similar case on something like the Fujifilm X100VI, popular with the genZ crowd. Most of them who are not photo hobbyists\/pro's do not take full advantage of the ND filters because they aren't so technically savvy. Even though to us it seems easy and straightforward. I am glad Fuji includes them, that camera really nailed internal ND's.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2766594065)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nI hear you on the technical challenge of using ND filters.\n\nBut Apple could automate all that. At least 180-degree shutter at the touch of button (as they already do with the fake background blur).\n\nThe variable ND filter is the missing piece to enable that.\n\nConsider that iPhones have a “Cinematic” option in the camera app, but it’s far from cinematic to have vehicle wheels spinning backward, flickering lights and screens, and birds leaping off telephone poles in a staccato 24 fps slide show – problems cured by an ND filter.\n\nYes, you can rig an iPhone to use ND filters. But then you may as well rig a real camera.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4913708376)\n\n[dnaeye](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1077976397)\n\nMore than ND, I'd like to get real bokeh as opposed to the fake one.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9047477110)\n\n[![zakk9]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0257337260)\n\n[zakk9](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0257337260)\n\nMostly the same as my iPhone 13, only with a bigger, fatter price tag.\n\nLike\n\n4\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5233636213)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nWell, assuming you're talking the 13 Pro, the 17 Pro does have larger and newer image sensors for all three of the lenses. I think that would be of interest to somebody who frequents a photography site.\n\nAs an Android user, I think the telephoto and ultrawide sensors on the 17 are still on the small side, but for iPhones it's progress.\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3955874913)\n\n[![zakk9]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0257337260)\n\n[zakk9](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0257337260)\n\nA newer image sensor doesn't change the quality of my photos except for slightly less noise and slightly more dynamic range. Nobody would notice unless I choose to print them very, very large.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2597254217)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nAccording to the article, the newer sensor has double the surface area of the older one. And there are likely image quality gains from newer sensor tech too. But good for you if your iPhone 13 is still making you happy. I just don't see the point in poo-pooing the newer phone.\n\nLike\n\n8\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0818003720)\n\n[![Paulalikescameras]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9998993505)\n\n[Paulalikescameras](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9998993505)\n\nIf you're talking about the new telephoto sensor, it's actually a roughly 50% increase in surface area. Still much behind everyone else other than Samsung and Google.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8722216065)\n\n[![Franz Weber]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0522607499)\n\n[Franz Weber](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0522607499)\n\nMy grandfather gave me an old iPhone from 1952. It uses film rolls and the JPG engine is steam powered. You have to fill in coal to heat up the water before taking photos. I see no reason to upgrade.\n\nLike\n\n16\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5746162639)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nApparently it's the selfie camera that doubled the sensor area. Anyway, it still seems like an overall reasonable upgrade year-to-year. Apple has never been super generous with hardware specs, other than a good processor.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3940504480)\n\n[![kotelep]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1465324165)\n\n[kotelep](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1465324165)\n\n@Franz Weber, yeah, the one with the trusty fireproof asbestos unibody. Sweet memories\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6759409447)\n\n[![Absolutic]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0178328184)\n\n[Absolutic](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0178328184)\n\nSo let me  \nUnderstand this correct. What many sites and Chat Gpt calls 8 optical zoom is not 8 optical zoom at all. The tele photo is 4x and 8x is simply cropppng into 4x camera? Meaning it is no different than taking a 4x photo and cropping it later?  \nWhat a scam\n\nLike\n\n23\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4388041323)\n\n[![Mitchell Clark]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mitchell.clark)\n\n[Mitchell Clark](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mitchell.clark)\n\nThere may be a slight difference between doing it while taking the photo and doing it later in post because of all the processing Apple's doing, but by and large you're correct: the 8x mode is just a center crop from the 4x camera.\n\nLike\n\n13\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7754884514)\n\n[jonby](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2597508224)\n\nOr are they stating it relative to the ultra wide camera - would be around 7.7x relative to that? Either way, it's not an optical zoom of any kind if the lenses are all fixed focal length.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9017207268)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nPretty much every phone has this \"feature\" now though, so it's nothing new. Those who understand what's actually happening can weight the pros and cons of shooting in crop mode, and those who don't understand the difference probably don't care anyway.\n\nMy OnePlus 12 has the main lens and a 3x telephoto, but I often use the 2x crop-zoom from the main lens when I want an in-between zoom, and don't need perfect image quality. For example, my wife asks me to send her a picture of the grocery list, I will probably use the 2x zoom.\n\nLike\n\n5\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5790496851)\n\n[![YouAreTheChief]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2483316169)\n\n[YouAreTheChief](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2483316169)\n\nWhat I would be interested in is - is that 12 megapixel 8x zoom oversampled\/quad bayer somehow ?\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3404065488)\n\n[![twostep]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/8011029877)\n\n[twostep](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/8011029877)\n\n@YouAreTheChief yes, it is. It's most likely the same processing like they use to achieve the \"2× zoom\" from the main camera. The results are clearly better that if you'd do the cropping in post but it's not \"optical zoom\".\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0146245523)\n\n[![Absolutic]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0178328184)\n\n[Absolutic](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0178328184)\n\nWhen it comes to optical zoom we have formerly 5X zoom being reduced to 4X zoom, but with somewhat larger sensor. I have an older Samsung Galaxy S22 pro with true 10X optical zoom and Iphone 15 pro max with 5X zoom. I would have considered upgrading my Iphone if this had a true 8X optical zoom, but I don't see any reasons to upgrade otherwise.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4869798182)\n\n[scotthunter](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2625751235)\n\nThis latest iPhone Pro is a big deal for photographers, not because of the built in cameras but the processor cooling. I do most of my photo editing of images from my full frame camera on Lightroom Mobile, and the iPhone 15 Pro overheated within minutes, causing the screen to dim. This should hopefully be a problem of the past with the new cooling technology.\n\nLike\n\n5\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1018178067)\n\n[![Paulalikescameras]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9998993505)\n\n[Paulalikescameras](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9998993505)\n\nThis is actually tech that has been seen for a while now, it's just that Apple purposely did not include it until now for the sake of long term stagnation. This is a rather small vapor chambor all things considered, they don't talk about the volume of it but I feel like it's partly because it's unimpressive by today's standards. It should indeed improve cooling though.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3760081311)\n\n[![Hans Z]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2020616260)\n\n[Hans Z](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2020616260)\n\n@ScottHunter, you actually bring up a very valid point here, that better cooling will (hopefully) avoid the screen dimming that I often encounter when using the iPhone outdoor in a tropical climate.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5206591817)\n\n[Oiche](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6685337475)\n\nI find that difficult to believe, no way Lightroom mobile cooks an iPhone 15. I have 16 Pro Max and LRM does nothing to it.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6630475712)\n\n[Husband80](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9547148149)\n\nThis is the best phone, if I want to buy an IPhone 17. If I want a great phone, I'll probably stick with some Android flagship.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3563846238)\n\n[Henry McA](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9285843606)\n\nI´m going to get the iPhone Air because it costs more for less performance. It´s exactly what I need.\n\nLike\n\n16\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3820217482)\n\n[Jx9](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9164271264)\n\nLoving the crop factor back on your table. Super quick to compare to older phone cameras and my full frame camera\/lenses to get the true aperture equivalent.\n\nLike\n\n16\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0828909057)\n\n[![Mathew Anderson]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mathew%20anderson)\n\n[Mathew Anderson](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mathew%20anderson)\n\nAwesome, we're glad you find it useful! Will keep this in mind for future articles.\n\nLike\n\n18\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8100938886)\n\n[Jx9](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9164271264)\n\nI would recommend taking it a step further and putting the full frame aperture equivalent for all phone cameras and cameras like the Canon V1 in a running list. Fill it with ads because it will get a lot of traffic. Apple and others will take notice and strive to be high on this list.\n\nThe 100mm telephoto lens on this phone has an equivalent aperture of f\/17.4. I just tried taking a pic on my full frame Canon R6 70-200mm with those specs. Yikes. Very little background blur. I guess I have to stick to the 24mm main sensor for portraits still. I hate that focal length for portraits.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9939122776)\n\n[Bob A L](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3349315368)\n\nDoesn't really work that way. Lens is still a 2.8. aperture does not get smaller when we crop the image.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6382096871)\n\n[![NZ Scott]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7635545214)\n\n[NZ Scott](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7635545214)\n\nWell, it kind of does work that way in the sense that it helps us figure out how much light the lens is gathering.\n\nSo, for example, when we talk about a 12mm f\/2 lens on Micro Four Thirds, it's helpful to know that it's equivalent to 24mm f\/4 lens on full frame.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9092742871)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nNo 8K video or improvement in readout speed, by the look of the spec sheet.\n\nI don’t personally care about 8K video, and I’ve become accustomed to readout speed going nowhere of late, but I still hoped Apple with all of its clout could evoke an improvement chez Sony (the sensor maker). Would be nice for the base-level iPhone to get 120p like the Pro. Oh well.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2381697842)\n\n[Phantasmagorical](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4382991131)\n\nOh you're just gonna go ahead and ignore ProRes Raw?\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9462922898)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nHeh. It’ll be a fine day when I can afford enough storage space to capture in ProRes RAW.\n\nBut certainly nice for you fancy folk.\n\nLike\n\n4\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3934312426)\n\n[winnegehetoch](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3333737475)\n\n@Samuel Dilworth You can use standard SSD’s connected via a (preferably powered) USB-C hub or directly. My Samsung T7 Shield allows around 800 megabyte per second sustained writing without problems. You’d probably not need more than some 200-300 megabyte\/second - give or take guess - or thereabout for ProRES 422HQ or RAW at maximum speed on the iPhone 17 Pro (Max). That’ll expand the options a bit.\n\nProRES 422HQ up to 60 fps in 4K is no problem on iPhone 15 Pro (Max) or later.\n\nMy iPhone 15 Pro has 256GByte (around half always kept free), and handles 25 fps 4k ProRES 422 internally without problems for 25 minutes or so. If I use Cinema P3 (same settings, but 200 megabit\/sec h265 4:2:2), I usually can handle recordings for approx. 80 minutes internally.\n\nJust mentioned as examples from daily use on my iPhone 15 Pro 256 GB - used extensively since release in 2023 nearly two years ago.\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7632799532)\n\n[MichaelofOz](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4541888099)\n\nAttach a portable SSD via the USB-C 3.0 connection? Definitely a cheaper option than a 2TB pro max.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6578619152)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nRaw video is turning out to be kind of a raw deal. It's actually not that much better than Log, while requiring vastly more storage space and processing power to work with.\n\nMy current full framer can shoot it too.. but why? Its 4K output is already stunning in 10 bit.\n\nSo.. all that storage and processing power and edit time for.. phone video. Super.\n\nLike\n\n4\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5434104586)\n\n[winnegehetoch](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3333737475)\n\n@Mr Bolton That’s not true in real life in the 12-bit ProRES use cases (up to 6.2k open gate 25 fps) I have used.\n\nThe two extra - linear - bits really deliver a visible difference in flexibility on top of standard RAW white balance and ISO adjustment in post. These are really, really valuable options, not supported in any matching way using 10-bit Log. Especially when delivering rendered 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 2020 HLG broadcast ready material, with the far wider Rec.2020 color space compared to the usual Rec.709 used for Log (Apple also uses the larger 2020 colorspace for log as default). It actually matters. Better “wiggle room” in post.\n\nReal life tests will soon crop up, and I certainly will compare results to my Lumix S5 and other cameras, that require the not really travel friendly Ninja V with a large NP-F970 battery or heavy powerbanks connected, as well as cables.\n\nI guess, that I won’t need to carry a Ninja V along anymore, if I want max quality.\n\nWe live in interesting times.\n\nLike\n\n5\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6360250866)\n\n[lightwriter](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3241409681)\n\n@Mr Bolton\n\nMotionCam Pro, only available for Android phones, can record raw video. In this video, you can see a comparison between the Samsung S24 Ultra and the iPhone 15 Pro: <https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=tIWpzvrKSS4&ab_channel=MotionCamProRAWVideoCapture>\n\nYou can clearly notice that the Samsung footage has more detail. I expect the Apple's ProRes raw will provide the same degree of detail, too.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3403934757)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nWhile I'd rather shoot through an EVF than watch a screen, I don't do video for a living so I can definitely see the need for a Ninja. (My close up vision ain't what it used to be, sadly).\n\nSo, can an iPhone 17 Pro take a full frame 85mm f1.8S or 135mm Plena, and give a video that real full frame Bokeh? (Insert equivalents on your favorite mount here, I just used Nikon as examples because I have it).\n\nAnd no, I don't mean \"Shot on iPhone\" with thirty grand worth of rigging and lighting and cinema glass in front of the phone's camera element. Because in that situation, my plain Jane ole' Android would also look pretty spectacular.\n\nAnyway, I wouldn't retain the services of any video crew I paid to shoot something, who just showed up with iPhones. For that, I could just have my daughter shoot it on hers. Not saying phones can't make good video-I'm just saying there's a difference, and it's the reason why there are real video cameras and equipment and lenses.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6476490298)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nAnd outside of us pixel peepers.. you're still getting video off a fingernail size sensor at most, usually much smaller. Do those extra couple bits really make \\*that big of\\* a difference? It's still phone video.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5530753672)\n\n[winnegehetoch](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3333737475)\n\n@lightwriter Thank the almighty God of all infidels...\n\nBlackmagic today released Davinci Resolve version 20.2, the Studio version in my case, and lo and behold, it works. Supported directly. ISO, color temp and whatnot in previously recorded Lumix S5 12-bit 5.9k ProRES RAW. Even direct \"RAW to Log: HLG\" setting available as working environment. Yuhooo\\!\n\nNow I just have to wait a few days, before I can include iPhone material into my (new) standard ProRES working environment,\n\nWhat a bright and sunny day today (even if rain is promised).\n\nLike\n\n4\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1777830881)\n\n[winnegehetoch](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3333737475)\n\n@Mr Bolton While you complain I'll enjoy the opportunities from release day and onward. Travel light with optional ProRES RAW as extra \"safety belt\" in post is finally here (final verdict, when actually tested).\n\nI do not care HOW material was produced, if the quality is \"sufficient\" for my use.\n\nWith the new and full ProRES RAW support in Davinci Resolve Studio, I have one less hurdle to pass. Blackmagic Camera App will also support ProRES RAW recording. It's a known and trusted App delivering reliable results.\n\nWhat's not to like?\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1498189403)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nWell I certainly wouldn't argue the positives of Davinci Resolve now supporting ProRes, yet I'm still unconvinced that it's gonna make that big a difference on phone video. Every little bit helps, I'll go along with that.\n\nBut it's still phone video. Apple fan bois gonna fan boi.\n\nThe large, fancy screen on my Android (or your iPhone) may also be used as an external monitor for whatever camera I am using. So the phone would still be quite useful in a video environment. I think I'd rather use it for that than for actual video acquisition.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9677735972)\n\n[winnegehetoch](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3333737475)\n\n@Mr Bolton Which pocket (chest or trousers) will hold my S5 or E-M5 with lens, Ninja Phone or V with cables?\n\nWhy all the paraphernalia, with all the hazzle, when I just have to carry my iPhone (plus possibly the same Røde Wireless Pro, DJI Mic 2 or 3 for IEEE 32-bit float audio if needed) everywhere, anytime?\n\nAnd the iPhone i carry anyway - currently - is allowed most places.\n\nWhat’s not to like?\n\nIt’ll also be interesting to test open gate use options in real life (already used on my Fujifilm X-M5 with great success).\n\nLike\n\n4\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4576668135)\n\n[drewcassidy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1705825659)\n\nApple’s store page for the iPhone 17 non-pro claims it has “0.5x, 1x, 2x optical zoom”. This appears to be a lie and it only does digital zoom? What’s going on here?\n\nLike\n\n10\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9546902867)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nThey’ve mangled the language until even camera nerds can’t understand it. That’s where we’re at.\n\nThe “optical zoom” is neither a zoom nor achieved optically. It is varying crops from the centre. More correct English would be “digital crop” (but of course that stinks).\n\nLike\n\n30\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0237207309)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nTHANK YOU for stating it. I was saying the same thing when the previous iPhone came out and the term 'optical zoom' was being bandied about. So.. when Fuji uses a cropped region from the center of an X-100VI or GFX-100RF sensor, it's cropping-yet when Apple does it, it's ..optical zoom.\n\nIf there aren't optical lens elements being moved to place a longer focal length image onto the full sensor surface area, then it is \\*digital zoom.\\*\n\nLike\n\n4\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5789104552)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nMaybe they could start calling it a \"Bespoke zoom\" instead. People seem to really like that word lately.\n\nBTW, I don't remember seeing \"bespoke\" on DPR much, so hopefully the editors are resisting the urge to insert it everywhere and anywhere. Keep fighting the good fight\\!\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5164163628)\n\n[attomole](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1968554930)\n\n\"Optical Quality Zoom\"  \nit took me while but I think what they are pushing here, is that if they fitted a variable aperture zoom, surly the only possibility given the geometry, it would loose light and optical quality as it zooms, similar to just cropping-in or fitting a 2X converter, BUT because they can flip the mode of the sensor to higher resolution, cropping is essentially \"equivalent\" to an optical zoom, added to that all the AI processing that can synthesise detail and colour information that degraded by the crop as well.  \nThat is, a complex folded optical path zoom, however ingeniously packaged won't be better than a software enhanced crop and pixel re-map.  \nThey are probably right.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7235637578)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nAI processing that can synthesize detail and colour information.. AKA fake. It's a fake photo. No longer a real picture but an AI interpretation.\n\nNo, thank you.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9445315558)\n\n[attomole](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1968554930)\n\nIndeed Mr Bolton, There are already transformations taking place to de-mosaic, oversample, sharpen, resize, colour and contrast enhance before it goes in the photos application anyway, its making up pixels.  \nBut I do get your concerns, AI is now entirely making photographs up, not just adding a bit of interpolated texture to hair.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8373117540)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nCuriously, and meaningfully, the loss of tele ‘zoom’ (not really a zoom lens) from 5× on the old iPhones to 4× on the new ones is exactly made up for by the 25% linearly larger sensor.\n\nI’m sure that isn’t a coincidence.\n\nLike\n\n7\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7248696792)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nTo clarify in case I wasn’t clear: the sensor area used by the new iPhone Pro at an equivalent 5× (I think they called it ‘Fusion‘) is identical to the old iPhone Pro at its native 5×.\n\nSo ‘reach’ performance should be practically identical despite the added flexibility of a shorter tele and less jarring gap between main and tele fields of view.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6667455579)\n\n[![Mitchell Clark]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mitchell.clark)\n\n[Mitchell Clark](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mitchell.clark)\n\nI'm pretty sure Apple literally said that was the case in its presentation ha.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7419744200)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nDid they? OK. I guess that was the target then: to at least equal the ‘reach’ of the iPhone 16 Pro tele.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9638176263)\n\n[deep7](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5291162839)\n\nIt's still a huge gap from the 24mm efl camera to the 100mm efl camera. So much of my phone photography uses focal lengths in between those extremes. That is one reason I have little inclination to replace my (admittedly adequate) 12 \"Pro\". I'm really surprised they are continuing with this focal length selection, to be honest, especially as they are hanging on to the far less useful ultra-wide. Weird.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6808440076)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nDeep7: I share your view almost exactly.\n\nBut at least 4× is better than 5×.\n\nI think Apple is caught between two classes of users with the tele specs.\n\nOn the one hand, you have people serious about their photos and video, like many of us here at DPReview. We mostly want a lower ‘zoom’ factor to close the yawning gap between 24 mm-e and the tele camera, but with the largest possible sensor and lowest possible f-number in the (tiny) available space.\n\nOn the other hand, if you go to non-photography tech sites like Ars Technica, users seem very interested in the longest possible ‘zoom’, with less understanding of the downsides. So they’re clamouring for more ‘zoom’.\n\nOne other problem for Apple is that the tele lens really must have a substantial ‘zoom’ factor to beat a crop from the main camera, since the main camera sensor is so much larger.\n\nWhy not make the tele sensor much larger too then? Good question. I guess the space constraints are even worse than they seem at first glance.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6369262842)\n\n[mosc](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6574836338)\n\nomg DPR giving actual crop factors for these lens modules! Thank you for doing the dirty work\\!\n\nSuch a big main camera sensor, nearly \"type 1\", combined with their computational photography techniques that's a hell of a lot of capability from something that small.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3675139815)\n\n[mosc](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6574836338)\n\n26mm seems to be where phones have settled? Everything seems to reference this number. A \"10x zoom\" is a 260mm equiv. frame almost every time, for example. They like to weasel if it's optical or digital but at least we're getting more standard on the focal equivalent??\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3935459142)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nIt's digital zoom. Full stop.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7028656761)\n\n[mosc](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6574836338)\n\nIt's not on the pro. I feel like when you shoot 10x in the UI, it's using the tele module (assuming it is a model that has it) and then crops from there to give you a 260mm equiv FOV, it's NOT a 10x digital crop of the tele module.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9410959996)\n\n[![Light Pilgrim]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7885297235)\n\n[Light Pilgrim](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7885297235)\n\nSame thing again and again, year on year.\n\nLike\n\n15\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2579742245)\n\n[starbase218](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3475373899)\n\nIt's so much better, faster, greater, newer. You want it, you really want it, you really really want it, you really really really want it.\n\nIs it working? ;)\n\nLike\n\n17\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3921953948)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nNot on me, but it's working on a whole lot of other people. Hence the huge profits of cel phone companies.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1344667256)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nI'm no iPhone fan, but the main sensor in the 17 is approaching 1\", and the sensors for the telephoto and ultrawide have literally just doubled in size. Seems like they deserve maybe at least a little credit?\n\nI mean, what more were you expecting from this year's refresh? A pop-up flash and an optical viewfinder?\n\nLike\n\n7\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0705705189)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nEdgar\\_in\\_Indy wrote: “the sensors for the telephoto and ultrawide have literally just doubled in size”\n\nThat is not my understanding. The ultra-wide seems identical to the old iPhone 16 Pro, and the tele is only 56% larger.\n\nMain camera sensor is also identical to the old one, but that was already big as you note.\n\nWhat has nearly doubled in size is the front-facing camera sensor, which is additionally now square. But clearly (because it’s square) it is never used all at once, so that exaggerates the improvement (though there are other improvements to the front camera).\n\nIt’s incremental improvement rather than revolution, but that has been true of all cameras for many years now.\n\nA low-hanging fruit that Apple still refuses to pick: built-in variable ND filter. Baffling omission to this layperson.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4269777744)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nAh, I went back and read it, and you're right, it's only the selfie camera that doubled in size. That doesn't do much for me, but for most of the young people I know, the selfie camera gets a lot of use, so any upgrade there is good.\n\nOverall, the improvements seem to be incremental, but still very decent for a year-to-year release. Especially since we're talking about Apple, a company that usually skimps on hardware (other than their processor I suppose).\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7252097683)\n\n[starbase218](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3475373899)\n\n@Samuel Dilworth “the tele is only 56% larger”\n\nMaybe that will finally get it out of diffraction territory wide-open? But I’m not going to pay for that.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9860319704)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nIt's an improvement, but the telephoto sensor is still subpar, lagging behind in light gathering with its 1\/2.55\" sensor and f\/2.8 lens.\n\nMy OnePlus 12 from last year uses uses a 1\/2.0\" sensor and an f\/2.6 lens for telephoto, but the newest Oppo uses a 1\/1.56\" @ f\/2.1, and the best Vivo has a 1\/1.4\" @ f\/2.3.\n\nAs usual, Apple cheaps out on hardware specs as much as possible until shamed by Android phones into offering things like bigger batteries, more storage and memory, and better cameras.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2047900281)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nApple learned the lesson decades ago: marketing is the most important aspect. Not technological capabilities.\n\nAsk former Commodore Amiga employees how they know..\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9925437429)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nHa I think you're right. I still remember how long they stuck with their one-button mouse, even if it meant their customers awkwardly using a keyboard button to mimic the functionality of a second mouse button, lol.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0508040837)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nAmiga 1985: 4096 colors, four channel stereo sound, true preemptive multitasking GUI with integrated CLI; expandable, documented hardware with two expansion ports plus somewhat standerd PC serial and parallel ports. Native NTSC video genlocking capabilities, can sync to 24fps film shooting. \\$2000 with monitor including stereo speakers.\n\nMac 1985: 9\" black and white screen, mono sound, no multitasking, no CLI at all; closed hardware, no expansion ports, requires a special tool to open the case for service. Can't be connected to any external displays, Apple proprietary serial port. SCSI, but really poor implementation. \\$3000 to start.\n\nMac had Steve Jobs to sell it. The Amiga had Commodore. So here we are.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5544195874)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nYeah, fascinating to imagine how things could have turned out so differently without key people in certain places at the right time. \"Butterfly effect\" and all that.\n\nI never had an Amiga, or even knew anybody that had one, but I remember thinking they seemed cool. I probably at least saw one at Radio Shack or Sears at some point.\n\nMy family did have an IBM PCjr though, which was a bit of a strange duck, but also forward-thinking in some ways. It could play three sound channels at once, which was two more channels than any other IBM PC at the time, lol. It also had enhanced CGA graphics that could display 16 colors on the screen, instead of just four. It could also accept cartridges, like a console, it had a wireless keyboard, and it could accept various upgrade modules on the side. Ours had a 128KB memory module on the side, bringing total RAM to 256KB.\n\nThe first game I remember playing on it was King's Quest I when I was about 10. I was so impressed, ha ha.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8623924001)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nMy friend's dad had money, so his family (and friends) got to use a PS\/2 with 16 color graphics, and we spent many hours on King's Quest! This was 1989 or so, meaning I still had my Commodore 64 and Mars Saga, Racing Destruction Set, Caveman Ugh-lympics, Jumpman. I guess that's part of the reason why you can still buy brand new, made in 2025 hardware, software, and games for the Commodore 64, as well as the Amiga.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7461056268)\n\n[cpt kent](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7215360831)\n\n\\$1099 USD  \n\\$1999 AUD  \nI’m happy to be explained to…\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6331438678)\n\n[![Maoby]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2006592831)\n\n[Maoby](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2006592831)\n\nWhy are people in such a hurry to come and tell us they're not interested?  \n🤔\n\nLike\n\n24\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2399323739)\n\n[![jaberg]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6843681516)\n\n[jaberg](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6843681516)\n\nBecause it’s business as usual in the DPR comments.\n\nLike\n\n13\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5676351932)\n\n[Tony Hall](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7099950314)\n\nFor me personally, I hate what Apple has done to photography. They killed compact cameras (and compact phones). Now we have these big clunky phones that take hideous, over processed images and that's now the look of photos from this generation. The whole thing is all wrong to me. Not to mention the fact that it's impossible for people to keep their lenses clean all the time because they're exposed and handled with oily fingers constantly, which makes phone pictures even worse.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2162763684)\n\n[Tony Hall](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7099950314)\n\nBy the way, I am an Apple user and have been since the first iPhone. I just don't use my phone as a camera unless I have to... or as someone said earlier \"taking photos of grocery lists\" and stuff like that.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1412378984)\n\n[![Maoby]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2006592831)\n\n[Maoby](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2006592831)\n\nFor my part, I have seen some very beautiful photographs taken with smartphones, by very competent photographers.\n\nLike\n\n4\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8456453452)\n\n[![jaberg]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6843681516)\n\n[jaberg](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6843681516)\n\nFor my part I’ve both seen and created some very beautiful “smartphone” photographs. (Apparently I’m able to wipe the lens with sleeve every now and then.) Judging a camera by the photographers that use it seems selective and not useful. I’ve seen a metric \\*\\*\\*\\*ton of truly bad photographs made with Sony cameras. (And to be fair, from Nikons, Fujis, Leicas… too.)\n\nSome of my “phone” photographs, printed as large as 60x40 inches, have hung publicly, adjacent to those from dedicated cameras, without having their origin “outed” or generating questions as to the camera used.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4204456579)\n\n[![Imager of]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3804744227)\n\n[Imager of](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3804744227)\n\nThat’s it for me. I’m switching to Samsung\\!\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6346136022)\n\n[![Light Pilgrim]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7885297235)\n\n[Light Pilgrim](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7885297235)\n\nSay hi from me\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1294303848)\n\n[![Franz Weber]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0522607499)\n\n[Franz Weber](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0522607499)\n\nBut when Samsung announces their latest flagship phones you will come back again, right?\n\nLike\n\n7\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7597226627)\n\n[Kostasm](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2243608124)\n\nA piece of white paper under the bright sun is measured at 25.000 nits. When iphone's display gets there I'll upgrade.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4317896702)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nYeah, it'll be so cool when we have to wear sunglasses to comfortably look at our phone screens.\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5483918560)\n\n[Kostasm](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2243608124)\n\n@Edgar Sure, but it's even cooler when you take blind shots or answering unwanted calls due to direct sun hitting your screen. It's amazing.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5342235093)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nPoint taken. I don't use my phone a lot in bright sunlight, but when I crank my OnePlus 12 up to max brightness, it's useable. I guess a little more brightness wouldn't hurt, but I wouldn't want to sacrifice in other areas, such as increased cost or reduce battery life, to get it.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2558170418)\n\n[Kostasm](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2243608124)\n\n@Edgar Indeed going above 10.000 nits would drain battery out. Let's hope hybrid displays will be developed that utilize ambient lighting. I consider today's display technology not quite there for outdoor use.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0739725010)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nWell, I just took my phone outside in bright direct sunlight, and at maximum brightness it was perfectly useable. My phone is a OnePlus 12, so I don't know how it compares to an iPhone screen. My wife has an iPhone 15, so when she gets home later I might see how they do side-by-side.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7815143132)\n\n[![green\\_badger]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1613668599)\n\n[green\\_badger](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/1613668599)\n\nTo be honest, I only follow this news because keeping the iPhone on a yearly release cycle has finally become absurd enough to be funny.\n\nLike\n\n11\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3427000604)\n\n[Horshack](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9305851384)\n\nI stopped following the annual iPhone events after I bought my 12 mini. It's simply the perfect form factor for me and leaves me wanting for nothing in a phone. I hope Apple eventually returns to the form factor, at least before the model stops being viable.\n\nLike\n\n9\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5294004849)\n\n[![goldiethedog]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0106119227)\n\n[goldiethedog](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0106119227)\n\nExactly this although i got the 13 mini.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7950210217)\n\n[SethG](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0040838303)\n\nI assume the Minis didn't sell well, so it might be a while before they revisit that form factor.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5996733407)\n\n[![Adam-T]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6254305281)\n\n[Adam-T](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6254305281)\n\nI'd be sill using the ancient 12 mini sized 6S if it hadn't been OS update forgotten and the battery still lasted . at least apple still made small phones up til recently, the Scamdroid posse are still on the biggest is best principal\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9026997256)\n\n[Horshack](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9305851384)\n\n@Seth, It's an interesting question. Apple sold millions of the Minis, but because they sell so many more of their other form factors it was considered a relative disappointment. Any other phone maker would've been thrilled to have the Mini's sales numbers but for Apple it wasn't enough.\n\nLike\n\n7\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2719198511)\n\n[Dennis](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4793540972)\n\nI like my 12 mini. I'm not eager to own a bigger phone, but I think that something along the lines of a 17 Pro (or 18 pro or 19 pro or whatever) is going to be in my future for one primary reason. My old RX100 is on its last legs and I'm not interested in spending \\$1700 on the only remaining RX100 model currently available. Mine is the original with a 28-100 equivalent lens, so a phone that does a good job in that range will probably end up replacing compact digicams at some point.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8544900077)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nThere are a wide variety of smaller form factor phones available from a number of \"Scamdroid\" vendors. You can either take what Apple gives you, or enjoy a wide array of choices.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7789704188)\n\n[starbase218](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3475373899)\n\nI'm guessing that won't be supported much longer though?\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4577316959)\n\n[SethG](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0040838303)\n\n@horshack Yep, exactly. The 12 & 13 minis probably sold well, but might have been the lowest volume iPhones. Or, as likely, Apple concluded that people would buy the more expensive regular iPhones if they couldn't get Minis, so profits would go up, and SKUs would go down.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3181990318)\n\n[![Edgar\\_in\\_Indy]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\n[Edgar\\_in\\_Indy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2346611173)\n\nWe still have a couple 13 minis in my family, but the battery life is pretty abysmal. Tradeoffs I guess.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6093303029)\n\n[fnord77](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/2094645895)\n\nI used to upgrade every year. Now I try to go for as long as I can without upgrading.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5108292865)\n\n[![NZ Scott]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7635545214)\n\n[NZ Scott](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7635545214)\n\nI also have a 12 Mini and the battery still lasts me a full day.\n\nI'll probably buy a new phone this year, though - probably the standard iPhone 17 as the iPhone 17 Pro would feel too much like a brick after the Mini.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9924698044)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nSethG: “The 12 & 13 minis probably sold well, but might have been the lowest volume iPhones.”\n\nActually, they sold pretty terribly by any standard, to my surprise.\n\nSales were reportedly a low-single-figure percentage of total iPhone sales, with the 13 mini doing even worse than the 12 mini despite what I thought were strong upgrades at the time.\n\nI speak as a forlorn 13 mini owner.\n\nSamsung has already sold more wildly expensive folding phones than Apple sold mini phones in total. Puts things in perspective. I have one German friend who loved her 12 mini. Otherwise I have never even knowingly seen one in the wild, aside from the one in my pocket. It basically doesn’t exist.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8676428565)\n\n[SethG](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0040838303)\n\nSamuel Dilworth I think both could be true. 2-3% of iPhone sales would still be millions of units. And as Horshack said, any other smartphone manufacturer (except, maybe Samsung) would be thrilled with those kinds of numbers. The thin Air might tempt some of those folk. I'd probably be interested in it, if it had better cameras. Maybe we'll get an Air Pro next year :-) Well, we're supposed to get foldables next year, so that's what I'm waiting for\\!\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7047511740)\n\n[Horshack](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9305851384)\n\n@Seth, Exactly. Apple sold 100M+ iPhone 12 units '21'-22, so low single % share for the Mini is millions of phones.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9081131691)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nThe thin Air model looks like it will bend in half as soon as its installed in the back pocket of a pair of skinny jeans. IIRC it was the iPhone 6 or 7 that became famous for bending right at the volume rocker.\n\nI know that durability isn't a prime consideration when buying a fashion accessory like this, but it still looks pretty fragile to me.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4411851105)\n\n[starbase218](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3475373899)\n\n@Mr Bolton Apple did stress (pun not intended) that they have taken measures to make the body more rigid. But yeah, it does look quite thin. Maybe JerryRigEverything can do his thing. ;)\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago\\*[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0850019856)\n\n[![NZ Scott]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7635545214)\n\n[NZ Scott](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/7635545214)\n\nI saw a video where some Apple marketers told a couple of guys to try to bend an iPhone Air.\n\nThey couldn't.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9286130497)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nYeah they didn't ask me to try and bend it. I work with my hands for a living.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2600183729)\n\n[![funtaril]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4460206770)\n\n[funtaril](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4460206770)\n\nFront camera doesn't seem to be able to produce square photos, probably something like GH5S situation with corners not covered by image circle (still cool)\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8460624728)\n\n[deep7](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5291162839)\n\nIronically (I thought), a square-sensored camera I bought last week arrived today. I was intrigued enough to pay the very few pennies for it because it looked like my Rollei. Just like my Rollei, I can't get my head around actually using a square format! Anyway, I was amused to find another square sensor announced on the same day.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1230215616)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nI actually own a Rollei 126 camera and it even has the flash option.. oh Snap! I just now realized I have a fresh roll of expired 126 film that I paid five bucks for and wasn't sure which of my ancient cameras I would roll it through.\n\nWell this is gonna be a fun weekend!\\!\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3950242444)\n\n[arhmatic](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5254012318)\n\nCool. The Air gets the pro \"gloss\", while the Pro exterior has more of an \"SE\" entry-level feel.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8014673421)\n\n[deep7](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5291162839)\n\nThat's why the Air isn't particularly cheap. For someone not camera-obsessed, who wants a reasonably classy phone, it's a nice enough option but it has to appear much nicer than an ordinary 17 to have the appeal, I suppose.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8468922217)\n\n[![Terrible Photographer]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5931893871)\n\n[Terrible Photographer](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5931893871)\n\nBig whoop\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4357359030)\n\n[CheerfulCactus](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3448482457)\n\nI'm surprised Apple brought ProMotion display to the standard phone. Although I guess VRR and 120Hz are no longer considered premium features when they're starting to show up on entry-level Androids. Can't wait to see how the 200mm tele performs, but I'm not sure about the longevity of the water-cooled design of the 17 Pro.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0784316506)\n\n[MichaelofOz](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4541888099)\n\nYupp, first ever iPhone to feature liquid cooling\/vapour chamber tech.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8242711347)\n\n[![Mitchell Clark]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mitchell.clark)\n\n[Mitchell Clark](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/about\/staff\/mitchell.clark)\n\nVapor chambers aren't reallllly the same as the water cooling you'd find in larger PCs or servers, which have a pump (aka a moving part prone to failure). Several Android phones have used them for a few years now, and I don't think we've seen any reports of those being much of an issue.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4988648678)\n\n[CheerfulCactus](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3448482457)\n\nSorry, it's a vapor chamber using deionized water. So obviously the question is how long will that chamber stay sealed?\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7426006167)\n\n[Louis Daguerre](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0311345633)\n\nFor quite some time now, the focus of \"innovation\" in iPhones has been in how to make them cheaper, not better.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9363493300)\n\n[Lokomotive](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6602197162)\n\nIn this case, the changes in lenses and sensors is absolutely better\\!\n\nLike\n\n6\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2734466606)\n\n[flyingskiguy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3399989324)\n\nI wonder if this will get Blackmagic to support ProRes Raw in Resolve.\n\nLike\n\n3\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1323798523)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nBlackmagic is the launch partner for the Genlock feature. Surely they have to support ProRes RAW at this point?\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8715869908)\n\n[flyingskiguy](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3399989324)\n\nResolve does not currently support ProRes Raw\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3283271564)\n\n[Phantasmagorical](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/4382991131)\n\nAdobe premiere is coming to the iPhone so you might be able to edit prores raw on your phone which will be handy for quick turnarounds & simple edits, and who knows maybe more complex stuff.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7445469171)\n\n[![Samuel Dilworth]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\n[Samuel Dilworth](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/9131255351)\n\nAs I suspected, ProRes RAW is now supported in DaVinci Resolve (as of version 20.2).\n\n<https:\/\/www.blackmagicdesign.com\/media\/release\/20250910-02>\n\nTook them long enough\\!\n\nPretty big news for some people.\n\nLike\n\n2\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3796048845)\n\n[starbase218](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/3475373899)\n\nGood for your cat pictures.\n\nSeriously... I mean, not everyone is a \"creator\". Not even everyone here is. Right? Am I the only one who thinks it's the same as last years? I'm on iPhone 15 Pro and... why would I upgrade? It's all the same.\n\nI like photography, but I like the isolation, I like that it's MY vision. It's not social, and it doesn't have to be.\n\nLike\n\n7\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2613567549)\n\n[Lokomotive](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/6602197162)\n\nThe upgrade in sensors and optical telephoto lens I've been waiting for years, and is significant, so this is an absolute upgrade for me, which is fine as I'm on a 12Pro\\!\n\nLike\n\n7\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3797372499)\n\n[SethG](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/0040838303)\n\nIt looks like the cameras got a significant boost. More speed is great, but I don't know how practical that really is.\n\nLike\n\n1\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4899245987)\n\n[Mr Bolton](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/members\/5042608781)\n\nLooks like they upgraded the tele module's sensor and kept the same optics, which would explain the 1x shorter tele length.\n\nLike\n\n0\n\n7 months ago[permalink](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/2604105544\/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3537547224)\n\n## You may also like\n|   |   |   |   |\n|---|---|---|---|\n| [![Apple's Pro desktop computer is no more: the Studio is the new flagship]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/5209343792\/apple-mac-pro-discontinued-2026-mac-studio) | [![Apple's latest MacBook Pros are more powerful than ever]()](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/1827829497\/apple-macbook-pro-m5-pro-max-2026-release) | [![Could this company challenge Sony's mobile sensor 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It features two cameras, including an upgraded ultra-wide model, and retains the Camera Control button from the previous generation.\n\n## iPhone 17 Pro\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras](https:\/\/2.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe company says it designed the iPhone 17 Pro \"from scratch.\" It now features an aluminium frame, rather than a titanium one.\n\nRecent Videos\n\nWhile the main and ultra wide cameras appear to have been untouched, the telephoto camera has gotten an upgrade, making it so all three rear cameras are now 48MP. Previously, the [telephoto camera was only 12MP](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/news\/8163093616\/iphone-16-pro-worth-upgrading-13-14-15-apple-cameras). Perhaps more importantly, the sensor has around 56% more area as well: it's now 23.5mm² compared to the iPhone 16 Pro's 15.3mm² telephoto sensor.\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array](https:\/\/3.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe larger sensor comes at the cost of a little less reach; the iPhone 16 Pro's telephoto camera was a \"5x\" 120mm equiv., while the 17 Pro's is a 4x 100mm equiv. model. However, the company uses the extra resolution to provide an 8x mode, taken from a center crop of the telephoto camera's sensor, similar to the 2x mode for the main camera.\n\n| iPhone 17 Pro \/ Pro Max |   |   |   |   |\n|---|---|---|---|---|\n| Focal length | Pixel count | Sensor size | f\/number | Crop factor |\n| Main (24mm equiv.) | 48MP | Type 1\/1.28 (71.5mm²) | F1.78 | ~3.5x |\n| Ultra wide (13mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.2 | ~6.2x |\n| Telephoto (100mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.8 | ~6.2x |\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action](https:\/\/1.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TC4x3S590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action.jpeg) |\n| The new front-facing camera lets you take landscape selfies without having to turn your phone. *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe phone also gets a new F1.9 \"Center Stage\" selfie camera, which Apple says is twice as large as the previous model. While the company is a bit cagey on details, the iPhone 16 had a Type 1\/3.6 sensor, which was around 12mm². Presumably, this means the new camera is around 24mm². It's also now 18MP, up from 12, and is square rather than 4:3, letting users take landscape selfies without having to rotate their phone. This isn't the first time we've seen this approach; GoPro has been doing something similar since the Hero 11 Black.\n\nOn the video side, the iPhone 17 Pro can now record in ProRes Raw, which Apple says will provide even more room to edit your footage in post. You can't shoot with the codec in the standard camera app, but it's available in the Final Cut Camera and BlackMagic Camera app. Apple has also worked with BlackMagic to create a dock for the phone, which adds Genlock support.\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications](https:\/\/2.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe phone is powered by the A19 Pro SOC, which Apple says is now attached to a newly-designed vapor chamber, designed to keep the chip performing well without making the phone uncomfortably hot to hold. It moves heat away from the back of the phone and spreads it out across the aluminum frame.\n\nUnder that heatsink, the A19 Pro features 16 GPU cores, and the company says it should provide up to 40% better performance than the processor found in the iPhone 16 Pro. It features what Apple says is the \"biggest battery in any iPhone,\" which can power up to 33 hours of video playback on the regular-sized model, and 39 hours on the Pro Max.\n\nThe 17 Pro will start at \\$1099 with 256GB of storage. That's a *de facto* \\$100 bump in price compared to the base 16 Pro, which came with 128GB of storage, though it's less than the 256GB iPhone 16 Pro. The Pro Max starts at \\$1199 for a 256GB model, and is available with up to 2TB of storage.\n\n## iPhone 17\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2](https:\/\/1.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TS590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2.jpeg) |\n| *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe iPhone 17's camera setup has been improved, with the ultra-wide camera being upgraded to use a 48MP sensor, rather than a 12MP one. The phone will also now default to 24MP output files, rather than 12MP ones. It also gets the upgraded Center Stage selfie camera found in the Pro.\n\n| iPhone 17 |   |   |   |   |\n|---|---|---|---|---|\n| Focal length | Pixel count | Sensor size | f\/number | Crop factor |\n| Main (26mm equiv.) | 48MP | Type 1\/1.56 (48mm²) | F1.6 | ~4.3x |\n| Ultra wide (13mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1\/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.2 | ~6.2x |\n\nThe phone's main camera appears to be the same 48MP model used by its predecessor, with the ability to crop in to the center region for a 2x zoom.\n\n|   |\n|---|\n| [![iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras](https:\/\/2.img-dpreview.com\/files\/p\/E~TC4x3S590x0~articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras.jpeg)](https:\/\/www.dpreview.com\/files\/p\/articles\/2604105544\/iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras.jpeg) |\n| The display is bigger, but there's no longer a larger option. *Image: Apple* |\n\nThe iPhone 17 has a 6.3\" display (compared to the 16's 6.1\" model) with a 3000 nit peak brightness and \"ProMotion,\" meaning it can run at 120Hz, rather than 60. 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Image: Apple Apple has announced its latest lineup of smartphones, the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro. It features two cameras, including an upgraded ultra-wide model, and retains the Camera Control button from the previous generation. iPhone 17 Pro Image: Apple The company says it designed the iPhone 17 Pro "from scratch." It now features an aluminium frame, rather than a titanium one. Recent Videos While the main and ultra wide cameras appear to have been untouched, the telephoto camera has gotten an upgrade, making it so all three rear cameras are now 48MP. Previously, the telephoto camera was only 12MP . Perhaps more importantly, the sensor has around 56% more area as well: it's now 23.5mm² compared to the iPhone 16 Pro's 15.3mm² telephoto sensor. Image: Apple The larger sensor comes at the cost of a little less reach; the iPhone 16 Pro's telephoto camera was a "5x" 120mm equiv., while the 17 Pro's is a 4x 100mm equiv. model. However, the company uses the extra resolution to provide an 8x mode, taken from a center crop of the telephoto camera's sensor, similar to the 2x mode for the main camera. iPhone 17 Pro / Pro Max Focal length Pixel count Sensor size f/number Crop factor Main (24mm equiv.) 48MP Type 1/1.28 (71.5mm²) F1.78 ~3.5x Ultra wide (13mm equiv) 48MP Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) F2.2 ~6.2x Telephoto (100mm equiv) 48MP Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) F2.8 ~6.2x The new front-facing camera lets you take landscape selfies without having to turn your phone. Image: Apple The phone also gets a new F1.9 "Center Stage" selfie camera, which Apple says is twice as large as the previous model. While the company is a bit cagey on details, the iPhone 16 had a Type 1/3.6 sensor, which was around 12mm². Presumably, this means the new camera is around 24mm². It's also now 18MP, up from 12, and is square rather than 4:3, letting users take landscape selfies without having to rotate their phone. This isn't the first time we've seen this approach; GoPro has been doing something similar since the Hero 11 Black. On the video side, the iPhone 17 Pro can now record in ProRes Raw, which Apple says will provide even more room to edit your footage in post. You can't shoot with the codec in the standard camera app, but it's available in the Final Cut Camera and BlackMagic Camera app. Apple has also worked with BlackMagic to create a dock for the phone, which adds Genlock support. Image: Apple The phone is powered by the A19 Pro SOC, which Apple says is now attached to a newly-designed vapor chamber, designed to keep the chip performing well without making the phone uncomfortably hot to hold. It moves heat away from the back of the phone and spreads it out across the aluminum frame. Under that heatsink, the A19 Pro features 16 GPU cores, and the company says it should provide up to 40% better performance than the processor found in the iPhone 16 Pro. It features what Apple says is the "biggest battery in any iPhone," which can power up to 33 hours of video playback on the regular-sized model, and 39 hours on the Pro Max. The 17 Pro will start at $1099 with 256GB of storage. That's a de facto $100 bump in price compared to the base 16 Pro, which came with 128GB of storage, though it's less than the 256GB iPhone 16 Pro. The Pro Max starts at $1199 for a 256GB model, and is available with up to 2TB of storage. iPhone 17 Image: Apple The iPhone 17's camera setup has been improved, with the ultra-wide camera being upgraded to use a 48MP sensor, rather than a 12MP one. The phone will also now default to 24MP output files, rather than 12MP ones. It also gets the upgraded Center Stage selfie camera found in the Pro. iPhone 17 Focal length Pixel count Sensor size f/number Crop factor Main (26mm equiv.) 48MP Type 1/1.56 (48mm²) F1.6 ~4.3x Ultra wide (13mm equiv) 48MP Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) F2.2 ~6.2x The phone's main camera appears to be the same 48MP model used by its predecessor, with the ability to crop in to the center region for a 2x zoom. The display is bigger, but there's no longer a larger option. Image: Apple The iPhone 17 has a 6.3" display (compared to the 16's 6.1" model) with a 3000 nit peak brightness and "ProMotion," meaning it can run at 120Hz, rather than 60. It uses an adaptive refresh rate, so it doesn't spend a ton of power refreshing the screen while nothing's happening. The company has done away with the "Plus" model, which featured a 6.7" display. The 17 comes with a new processor, the A19, which Apple says is substantially more power efficient than the A18. It starts with 256GB of storage, double what the iPhone 16 started with. The phone starts at $799, the same as its predecessor. Apple also announced the iPhone 17 Air, a thinner and lighter model than its more typical offerings. You can check out our story about it here .

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[![](https://4.img-dpreview.com/resources/images/logo-v3.png?v=5791)](https://www.dpreview.com/) Now reading: [Apple announces the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement) [193 comments](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement#comments) # Apple announces the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro ![](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TC1x1S40~avatars/9088978798/3/avatar.jpg) ![](https://4.img-dpreview.com/files/p/TC1x1S40~avatars/0173959796/8/avatar.jpg) By [Mitchell Clark](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mitchell.clark), [Dale Baskin](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/dale.baskin) [Comments (193)](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement#viewComments) Published Sep 9, 2025 | | | |---|---| | Share | [Tweet](https://twitter.com/share) | | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-colors](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-colors.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-colors.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | Apple has announced its latest lineup of smartphones, the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro. It features two cameras, including an upgraded ultra-wide model, and retains the Camera Control button from the previous generation. ## iPhone 17 Pro | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | The company says it designed the iPhone 17 Pro "from scratch." It now features an aluminium frame, rather than a titanium one. Recent Videos While the main and ultra wide cameras appear to have been untouched, the telephoto camera has gotten an upgrade, making it so all three rear cameras are now 48MP. Previously, the [telephoto camera was only 12MP](https://www.dpreview.com/news/8163093616/iphone-16-pro-worth-upgrading-13-14-15-apple-cameras). Perhaps more importantly, the sensor has around 56% more area as well: it's now 23.5mm² compared to the iPhone 16 Pro's 15.3mm² telephoto sensor. | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array](https://3.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | The larger sensor comes at the cost of a little less reach; the iPhone 16 Pro's telephoto camera was a "5x" 120mm equiv., while the 17 Pro's is a 4x 100mm equiv. model. However, the company uses the extra resolution to provide an 8x mode, taken from a center crop of the telephoto camera's sensor, similar to the 2x mode for the main camera. | iPhone 17 Pro / Pro Max | | | | | |---|---|---|---|---| | Focal length | Pixel count | Sensor size | f/number | Crop factor | | Main (24mm equiv.) | 48MP | Type 1/1.28 (71.5mm²) | F1.78 | ~3.5x | | Ultra wide (13mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.2 | ~6.2x | | Telephoto (100mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.8 | ~6.2x | | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action](https://1.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TC4x3S590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action.jpeg) | | The new front-facing camera lets you take landscape selfies without having to turn your phone. *Image: Apple* | The phone also gets a new F1.9 "Center Stage" selfie camera, which Apple says is twice as large as the previous model. While the company is a bit cagey on details, the iPhone 16 had a Type 1/3.6 sensor, which was around 12mm². Presumably, this means the new camera is around 24mm². It's also now 18MP, up from 12, and is square rather than 4:3, letting users take landscape selfies without having to rotate their phone. This isn't the first time we've seen this approach; GoPro has been doing something similar since the Hero 11 Black. On the video side, the iPhone 17 Pro can now record in ProRes Raw, which Apple says will provide even more room to edit your footage in post. You can't shoot with the codec in the standard camera app, but it's available in the Final Cut Camera and BlackMagic Camera app. Apple has also worked with BlackMagic to create a dock for the phone, which adds Genlock support. | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | The phone is powered by the A19 Pro SOC, which Apple says is now attached to a newly-designed vapor chamber, designed to keep the chip performing well without making the phone uncomfortably hot to hold. It moves heat away from the back of the phone and spreads it out across the aluminum frame. Under that heatsink, the A19 Pro features 16 GPU cores, and the company says it should provide up to 40% better performance than the processor found in the iPhone 16 Pro. It features what Apple says is the "biggest battery in any iPhone," which can power up to 33 hours of video playback on the regular-sized model, and 39 hours on the Pro Max. The 17 Pro will start at \$1099 with 256GB of storage. That's a *de facto* \$100 bump in price compared to the base 16 Pro, which came with 128GB of storage, though it's less than the 256GB iPhone 16 Pro. The Pro Max starts at \$1199 for a 256GB model, and is available with up to 2TB of storage. ## iPhone 17 | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2](https://1.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | The iPhone 17's camera setup has been improved, with the ultra-wide camera being upgraded to use a 48MP sensor, rather than a 12MP one. The phone will also now default to 24MP output files, rather than 12MP ones. It also gets the upgraded Center Stage selfie camera found in the Pro. | iPhone 17 | | | | | |---|---|---|---|---| | Focal length | Pixel count | Sensor size | f/number | Crop factor | | Main (26mm equiv.) | 48MP | Type 1/1.56 (48mm²) | F1.6 | ~4.3x | | Ultra wide (13mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.2 | ~6.2x | The phone's main camera appears to be the same 48MP model used by its predecessor, with the ability to crop in to the center region for a 2x zoom. | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TC4x3S590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras.jpeg) | | The display is bigger, but there's no longer a larger option. *Image: Apple* | The iPhone 17 has a 6.3" display (compared to the 16's 6.1" model) with a 3000 nit peak brightness and "ProMotion," meaning it can run at 120Hz, rather than 60. It uses an adaptive refresh rate, so it doesn't spend a ton of power refreshing the screen while nothing's happening. The company has done away with the "Plus" model, which featured a 6.7" display. The 17 comes with a new processor, the A19, which Apple says is substantially more power efficient than the A18. It starts with 256GB of storage, double what the iPhone 16 started with. The phone starts at \$799, the same as its predecessor. *** Apple also announced the iPhone 17 Air, a thinner and lighter model than its more typical offerings. You can [check out our story about it here](https://www.dpreview.com/news/4849117269/apple-iphone-17-air-announced#viewComments). Tags: [apple](https://www.dpreview.com/tag/apple), [iphone](https://www.dpreview.com/tag/iphone), [smartphone](https://www.dpreview.com/tag/smartphone) View Comments (193) ## Comments All (193) Most popular (15) Editors' picks (1) DPR staff (5) Oldest first [![Myles Baker]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0915255404) [Myles Baker](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0915255404) I don't usually comment on apple releases as I have never owned an apple product (my daughter had an early iphone & ipad) & generally had no interest in them, but.... Forget the phone specs for a minute, I could see .y self buying one of these, just to get access to the babel fish (airpods). That's got to be the coolest features ever if it works. Move over Arthur Dent, out of the way Ford Prefect, there's a new kid in town. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0115126255) [TejaWe](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2990268737) New, yet more of the same. I can't recall the last time I saw a new phone and thought, "wow, I must have". Like 5 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8094320435) [![Roberto Peradotto]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4840107561) [Roberto Peradotto](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4840107561) Is the 17 Pro's screen the same size as the 16 Pro or 16 Pro Max? Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9669289530) [Oiche](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6685337475) 6\.3" vs 6.1" vs 6.9" Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6718667715) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) The 16 Pro and 16 Pro Max screens are the same size as the 17 Pro and 17 Pro Max screens. Oiche is mistaken about a 6.1-inch screen. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9860534868) [Oiche](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6685337475) Sorry, misunderstood his question properly. Pro 6.3" on both Pro Max 6.9" on both I just got 16 Pro Max 512GB Makes me realise how good a real camera is... I own a Lumix S5ii Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6647662935) [elcapitanoak](https://www.dpreview.com/members/8203111670) Can DPReview please add this to the studio scene? Been looking at point and shoots and it’d be helpful to understand how much of a quality improvement one is over the other. Like 6 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3181338884) [ottonis](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3657527695) So, Apple's newest and greatest tele module has a sensor of the 1/2.55" type. Modern cameraphones, however, use tele-sensors of the 1/1.4"-type, which are approximately 300% larger in area size than the iPhone sensor. In other words: when it comes to tele-sensors, the iPhone 17 pro is 2 generations behind the competition. That reminds me of the old meme "Son, I am disappoint" Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5213571008) [digilt](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6776074727) The main image sensor in the iPhone 17 Pro is 1/1.3", bigger than the 1/1.4", but small tan the iPhone 16 Pro's 1/1.28". Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3664999901) [ottonis](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3657527695) Apple's \*tele\* sensor is much smaller than other phones' tele sensors and its main sensor is also smaller than some competitor's main sensors (1"). Physically, it is inferior in every department when compared to the best flagship cameraphones. Please note that this concerns only the physical dimensions of the sensors and not the quality of the image processing pipeline. Like 0 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7029387155) [kb2zuz](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5109621645) Samsung does have a 1/1.4” sensor but its pixel pitch is less than 0.6 microns, while the 1/2.55” sensor apple is using I think has closer to 1.2 micron pitch. Samsung has a bigger physical sensor but then crams in 4x as many pixels, meaning each pixel is much smaller. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3411870523) [![YouAreTheChief]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2483316169) [YouAreTheChief](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2483316169) I am on an iPhone 11 pro 256GB. Came out in 2019, which seems like a different age now. In the phone photography space, I might as well been shooting on a twin reflex camera. Changed batteries two times, no cracked screens so far. But lightning is becoming annoying and my main camera module are missing focus (I assume the OIS has started malfunctioning) There seems to be a bigger and bigger crowd saying "I don't need to upgrade". And I would agree. Of course upgrading every 1-2 years is silly - by my standards at least. 6 generations of iPhones is a nice enough jump for me. USB-C, 48mpx sensors, LiDAR and a nicer cooling system will be great fun I am sure. The 120hz screen, 5G, WiFi7, magsafe, smaller notch are alright but i could truly say they are not needed. Enjoy your tech people - don't give into the marketing hype. See you at iPhone 23 Pro \! Like 5 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1374756622) [Tony Hall](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7099950314) Remember the iPhone 8? I still have one that I use as a dedicated monitor for the Pocket 3. It's small, thin, smooth and light with a flush camera and rounded corners. This is a phone that's nice to hold and put in your pocket. This new pro phone looks like its made of Lego and I'm sure is fairly heavy. With the current trajectory, I feel like we may be discussing whether or not phones are "pocketable" ten years from now. 😂 Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4878013155) [nickolas84](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2536745923) Regarding the tele lens on the Pro models: the actual aperture is exactly the same between the 16pro and 17pro (lens MM and sensor size is different in a way that cancel one out, f/2.8 in both cases) So diffraction is the same... and surely this is a diffraction limited system. As a matter of fact in the 16Pro it was around diffraction limit and now at 48MP in the 17Pro it is well past that. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5633176355) [![0lf]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6031414090) [0lf](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6031414090) Now that the first review and pictures are released, it is obvious you are completely wrong. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4413589720) [![Ryan Schwartz]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3613949135) [Ryan Schwartz](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3613949135) Which iPhone will be the first with a one-inch sensor? Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4781777054) [Mike Yorkshire](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6474831431) iPhone 27 :-) Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9145884171) [Ted Erl](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9202901268) Classic Apple, redefining terms while redefining your wallet. Apple’s marketing loves to blur the line between optical zoom and digital trickery. True optical zoom requires physical lens movement, glass elements shifting to change focal length. What they’re doing here is using a high-resolution sensor to crop in digitally and then slapping the word “optical” on it like it’s a designer label. It’s clever branding, not engineering. The result might look decent thanks to computational photography, but it’s still a crop. Honestly, if Apple ever sells a potato and calls it a “smart starch-based imaging assistant,” I wouldn’t be surprised. Like 6 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8371879513) [Uncle Ricoh](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9957146885) You're not wrong. But I will argue that 99% of people no longer care that they're being exposed to deceptive marketing. They only care about the end result, and you conceded that the end result "might look decent". That's all that matters to consumers these days. For folks like you and me, we'll have to stick to "real" cameras. There is a reason I carry my GR III around with me all the time. There is a discernable difference in image quality even if others around me don't notice it. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4202613464) [Eric00](https://www.dpreview.com/members/8350956110) Apple and other smartphone makers do get creative with their marketing, but the market numbers show how little the consumer cares about all these details. In 2024 alone 94% of all photographs taken in the world (1.9 trillion in 2024 and expected to reach 2.1 trillion in 2025) were taken with smartphones. In social media alone, 14 billion images are shared daily. Yes, daily. So, that 94% of photographs taken with smartphones will likely increase, and the consumers around the world don't care much about the box that took the photo; they care about what they are seeing, perfect or not. I love my cameras and use them almost on a daily basis, but reality is reality. This battle has been lost to smartphones for 99%+ of the world's population. They love their smartphones and there's no stopping them. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0671259082) [![Dale Baskin]()](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/dale.baskin) [Dale Baskin](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/dale.baskin) In fairness to Apple, it’s not the only company using the term “optical zoom” to describe what is, in effect, digital zoom enhanced by some computational techniques. However, as others have pointed out, most consumers probably don’t care about or fully understand this distinction. That said, knowledge is power. Understanding how these cameras work allows knowledgeable users to get the best possible results from such cameras, should they choose to use them. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4125190672) [deep7](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5291162839) I note, as well, that they claim to have OIS sensor shift. Well, which is it, optical or sensor? It makes as much sense as the oxymoronic term "quad bike"... Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2009412960) [DM-CO](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5897581144) In my opinion, vast majority of buyers don’t care. They ONLY care about the images that they get. When “marketing nonsense” runs headlong into technical purists, there is always a collision, regardless of industry or product. Apple will sell hundreds of millions of these phones to people who look at the result of the cameras and the “flexibility” that they have and they will enjoy the product. 10,000 purists will be upset and decide to not buy the camera. Seems like everyone gets what they want in the end. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0433265178) [deep7](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5291162839) That may well be true in many cases but the real problem is that the results around a normal field of view will actually be worse than an iPhone several generations earlier will produce. So no, not everybody gets what they want. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9256403952) [![DirkPeh]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6495912629) [DirkPeh](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6495912629) I am at a loss! I don’t get the sensor sizes. How can a sensor have 50% more surface area, but still isn’t even 1” large. Aren’t sensor sizes equal to the surface areas? Like 1 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5515972698) [Uncle Ricoh](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9957146885) I think (1) Apple is lying, or (2) iPhone sensor sizes were so microscopically small that even by increasing sensor sizes 50% every other year, they're still not up to 1 inch. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2439625941) [![DirkPeh]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6495912629) [DirkPeh](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6495912629) But since years they are described as being 1/1.2 and similar. Even in the table above. My 14Pro main camera is described as being 1/1.28. Underneath a quote from the DPR review of the 14 Pro: “The Pro models gain larger sensors for their main cameras, jumping from 12MP Type 1/1.7 (7.5x5.7mm) to 48MP Type 1/1.28 (9.8x7.3mm) quad-pixel chips.” <https://www.dpreview.com/articles/6110937480> 1” would equal 13.2 x 8.8 mm =116 square mm From the above DPR table for the 24 main camera of the 17 Pro: Type 1/1.28 (71.5mm²) Like 1 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5542200330) [![matttelz]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5550996463) [matttelz](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5550996463) Oh man! Thank you Mitchell Clark and Dale Baskin for including the table of the sensor sizes... I was literally about to go on a wild goose chase to try and find the sensor sizes of the 17...low and behold DPreview does it again. Confirmed my suspicion... my new iphone 16e really is wimpy with its 1/3" sensor...ouch Like 5 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4712038367) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) I think the 16e has a 1/2.55″-type sensor, actually. Still wimpy. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6997253247) [JDR1429](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4297927645) Interesting 48 megapixels on a small sensor. And some manufactures are stuck on 20. Same introductory price as it's predecessor despite tariffs and has more storage. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2257708434) [Tailslol](https://www.dpreview.com/members/8535403337) Can we acknowledge how crazy it is that a phone can shoot ProRes Raw at 4k 120? Only some of the best of the best mirrorless cameras can shoot internal Raw video at 4K 120 fps, and obviously professional film cameras like Red, Arri, Blackmagic. Like 6 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3705886259) [Tony Hall](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7099950314) My thought is: why does a phone need to do that? Just seems like a kind of extreme thing for a phone to do. I'd be more impressed if they could make the lens flush with the back of the body again instead of that giant frankenstein hump sticking out of the back. Apple has literally gotten weird with the choices they make. The cameras supposedly get better every year but yet the pictures seem to look worse than they did ten years ago. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9476639892) [Tailslol](https://www.dpreview.com/members/8535403337) They are trying to market the pro to the filmmaker crowd. That's why. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8206994361) [Oiche](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6685337475) The reason is insanely fast processor, faster than pro camera processors. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4039439230) [Tailslol](https://www.dpreview.com/members/8535403337) Raw video is more about the bandwidth. It's not compressed too much so the processor isn't used as much as H.265 compression. So the phone must have a really fast internal SSD and bandwidth. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6602875109) [Oiche](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6685337475) Just tested it on iPhone 16 Pro Max 512GB 1842MB/s write 1077MB/s read The write speed is more than 6x faster than my budget flagship Poco F6 Android phone Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5552085367) [DM-CO](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5897581144) @Tony Hall: one reason, among many, is that iPhones are, in some situations, indeed used by pros who need to shoot with those specs. Is an iPhone the perfect tool for every pro video situation? NO. Is it a great tool for SOME situations? YES. Will working pros buy multiple iPhones to be able to use this capability? YES. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6022696556) [L Lenson](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5610722971) I wish the telephoto was shorter. The 70-90 mm range is too low resolution, for my taste. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1637065429) [deep7](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5291162839) Exactly. There is a massive, gaping hole in the most useful focal length/field of view ranges! Personally, I think a 24/48/96 equivalent trio would be most useful but, allowing for people being addicted to going wide and some cropping being acceptable, 20/40/80 would also be excellent. But no, it's 13/24(6?)/100. Insane. Maybe there will be four cameras next time, if they are unwilling to drop the gimmicky 13? Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5309429022) [deep7](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5291162839) To give that another perspective, when I look at the best iPhone photos I have taken in the last few years, about 90% of them would be seriously compromised to the point of near-uselessness, using the new camera array. I think less than one in a hundred were taken with the ultra-wide. Oddly, I have had a few keepers using the camera vertically, using the middle lens with the panorama function. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1718272830) [L Lenson](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5610722971) Yes drop the UWA camera and replace with 50 mm would be ideal from a photographers perspective. It's a bit funny the 17 Pro is still not resolving more than my Iphone 8+ from 50-99 mm. Yet they keep shouting how good the camera is. Luckily people interested in photography still use real cameras. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1690226829) [bergat](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6539224975) What new features without of Photografic issues? i think to remain with Iphoine 15 that for me is ok to call and tramision of data. Like 0 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6259285368) [Martino74](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9242555130) Even though I’d kind of given up on photography, I’ve got the itch for street shooting again and I just pre-ordered the Ricoh GR IV... but now I’m having second thoughts. For the same price, it would mean one less device in my pocket… I’d love to hear from more experienced folks if the image quality is really comparable :-) Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4461881210) [Staralfur](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7187191252) I can't find myself using my phone to take pictures other of small objects to send to friends or a small video, i also use a bad phone so maybe that's why but i feel the need of using a proper camera with controls, for street i use mostly my fujifilm x10 or xt1. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5527998492) [Tony Hall](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7099950314) Wow, you're the second person to use the phrase "given up on photography" in this section. What does that mean to you? If you use a phone, you've still given up on photography because with a phone, you're basically just watching a live video feed and capturing still frames. I don't find phone shooting to be anything like the camera shooting experience. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2747626315) [Uncle Ricoh](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9957146885) Image quality is only part of the photo-taking experience. And for most people the differences in image quality are not very discernable. The GR IV image quality will be very similar to the GR III. You can look at GR III sample photos to get an idea of what you'd be getting. To me, there is something that feels much more organic about photos taken with my GR III than my iPhone. It's almost like the difference between a video clip made with AI versus a real video. Something just feels off... The GR shooting experience is miles and miles ahead of using an iPhone imo. All of the controls are so thoughtfully laid out. You can truly use the GR one handed. Getting your photos to your phone is pretty quick and painless, too with Ricoh's app. If taking photos is something you're wanting to get back into, the GR IV will be the perfect camera for you to take with you everywhere. I find that I'm documenting my life much more with my GR III. I'm obviously biased toward GRs given my username :P Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1714647256) [DM-CO](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5897581144) I use my iPhone 14 Pro Max as my primary camera. My fujis and long glass are just used for birding. I will likely buy the 17 Pro Max as I would like 48mp on the tele and while100mm is maybe a bit too long (85 would have been great), the 12mp tele chip on the 14 PM is not great. Head on over to the mobile forums on DPR and you will find lots of folks who use a smartphone as their primary camera. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8216328540) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) Blackmagic has just announced ProRes RAW support in DaVinci Resolve: <https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/release/20250910-02> Pretty cool. Free update. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2655455629) [Tailslol](https://www.dpreview.com/members/8535403337) It's weird that Resolve did not have that support already, since it has support for even NRaw, a much less used Raw format. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2179822103) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) I found that very weird. ProRes RAW support has been one of the most-requested features in Resolve for years. It was never clear to me if the hold-up was Apple wanting to sell more copies of Final Cut Pro or Blackmagic wanting to lock in hardware sales to Resolve users (Resolve being very widely used). Anyway. Fixed at last. Like 0 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1299348069) [![Ryan Schwartz]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3613949135) [Ryan Schwartz](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3613949135) Awesome! My suspicion is that Apple wanted to keep it exclusive to Final Cut for sales, but perhaps software sales has plateaued enough that Apple decided to license the codec. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8965230567) [Zorgon2](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5166447313) I see the 17 pro as the ultimate camera for those of us who have given up on photography. Like 9 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1496011966) [Oiche](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6685337475) I recently bought iPhone 16 Pro Max and it makes me appreciate owning a Lumix S5ii FF 😎 Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0892256971) [![José B]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) [José B](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) Looks like it's a great upgrade from my 14 Pro Max. Hope I can hand-in my 14 at a nearby Apple store rather than mailing it for the trade-in. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3273884234) [![Hans Z]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2020616260) [Hans Z](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2020616260) Will also upgrade from my iPhone 14 Pro Max. I really like the brighter screen and improved cooling as I live in a country where the day time temperature does not go below 30C. Having a large smartphone screen makes photography & videography more fun for me, and I don't have any problem with the smartphone ergonomy even though I was born in the 1960:s ;) Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1511873889) [![José B]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) [José B](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) @ Hans Z :-) I’m so excited, just don’t know if I should splurge to 1TB or stay with 512GB. Wonder if I could back up to my Crucial 10 but I also have iCloud up to 200GB. Maybe I can do a model shoot in a hotel pool and most definitely take some tennis shots with it. Photo ops abound\! Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5957686964) [![Hans Z]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2020616260) [Hans Z](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2020616260) @Jose B, I am leaning towards the 1TB although it will deplete my wallet in a significant way. Currently I have the 512GB old phone. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6850918620) [![José B]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) [José B](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) @ Hans Z yeah I’m 60% leaning on 1 TB….blue. Maybe I should watch Dua Lipa again :-) Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2578937017) [![José B]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) [José B](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) So I did the pre- before the pre-sale (9/12 @ 8am) Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0834081244) [DM-CO](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5897581144) I too will likely buy a 17 pro max and give my wife my 14 pro max. I want to wait on some reviews on the tele camera/lens though before I decide. It can’t be worse than the 14PM’s tele but the question is “how much better”? Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0312472781) [![José B]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) [José B](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7189725205) @DM-CO , IMHO the specs alone is a massive upgrade from the 14 Pro Max. I’ll soon find out when I pick it up next week. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2022171325) [dnaeye](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1077976397) I was really hoping for variable aperture. Maybe next year then... Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0308177209) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) I was hoping for internal variable ND filter. Can’t understand why no-one is doing this. It would TRANSFORM the video quality you get from a phone. And Apple could automate it all and market it as cinematic, etc., taking all the calculations and thought out of it. What’s the hold-up? Surely there are people at Apple fighting for this development? Like 6 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6504379840) [![YouAreTheChief]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2483316169) [YouAreTheChief](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2483316169) @Samuel I think they are choosing not to do it because most serious iPhone videographers rig their iPhones and add filters as needed. Adding an internal ND filters for millions upon millions of phones would be a total waste as most buyers can't be bothered with such technological intricacies. Even if you pointed them at their phone having ND filters, they would probably try it once and forget it exists. I am sure it's a similar case on something like the Fujifilm X100VI, popular with the genZ crowd. Most of them who are not photo hobbyists/pro's do not take full advantage of the ND filters because they aren't so technically savvy. Even though to us it seems easy and straightforward. I am glad Fuji includes them, that camera really nailed internal ND's. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2766594065) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) I hear you on the technical challenge of using ND filters. But Apple could automate all that. At least 180-degree shutter at the touch of button (as they already do with the fake background blur). The variable ND filter is the missing piece to enable that. Consider that iPhones have a “Cinematic” option in the camera app, but it’s far from cinematic to have vehicle wheels spinning backward, flickering lights and screens, and birds leaping off telephone poles in a staccato 24 fps slide show – problems cured by an ND filter. Yes, you can rig an iPhone to use ND filters. But then you may as well rig a real camera. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4913708376) [dnaeye](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1077976397) More than ND, I'd like to get real bokeh as opposed to the fake one. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9047477110) [![zakk9]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0257337260) [zakk9](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0257337260) Mostly the same as my iPhone 13, only with a bigger, fatter price tag. Like 4 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5233636213) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Well, assuming you're talking the 13 Pro, the 17 Pro does have larger and newer image sensors for all three of the lenses. I think that would be of interest to somebody who frequents a photography site. As an Android user, I think the telephoto and ultrawide sensors on the 17 are still on the small side, but for iPhones it's progress. Like 6 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3955874913) [![zakk9]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0257337260) [zakk9](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0257337260) A newer image sensor doesn't change the quality of my photos except for slightly less noise and slightly more dynamic range. Nobody would notice unless I choose to print them very, very large. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2597254217) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) According to the article, the newer sensor has double the surface area of the older one. And there are likely image quality gains from newer sensor tech too. But good for you if your iPhone 13 is still making you happy. I just don't see the point in poo-pooing the newer phone. Like 8 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0818003720) [![Paulalikescameras]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9998993505) [Paulalikescameras](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9998993505) If you're talking about the new telephoto sensor, it's actually a roughly 50% increase in surface area. Still much behind everyone else other than Samsung and Google. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8722216065) [![Franz Weber]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0522607499) [Franz Weber](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0522607499) My grandfather gave me an old iPhone from 1952. It uses film rolls and the JPG engine is steam powered. You have to fill in coal to heat up the water before taking photos. I see no reason to upgrade. Like 16 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5746162639) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Apparently it's the selfie camera that doubled the sensor area. Anyway, it still seems like an overall reasonable upgrade year-to-year. Apple has never been super generous with hardware specs, other than a good processor. Like 2 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3940504480) [![kotelep]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1465324165) [kotelep](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1465324165) @Franz Weber, yeah, the one with the trusty fireproof asbestos unibody. Sweet memories Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6759409447) [![Absolutic]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0178328184) [Absolutic](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0178328184) So let me Understand this correct. What many sites and Chat Gpt calls 8 optical zoom is not 8 optical zoom at all. The tele photo is 4x and 8x is simply cropppng into 4x camera? Meaning it is no different than taking a 4x photo and cropping it later? What a scam Like 23 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4388041323) [![Mitchell Clark]()](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mitchell.clark) [Mitchell Clark](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mitchell.clark) There may be a slight difference between doing it while taking the photo and doing it later in post because of all the processing Apple's doing, but by and large you're correct: the 8x mode is just a center crop from the 4x camera. Like 13 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7754884514) [jonby](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2597508224) Or are they stating it relative to the ultra wide camera - would be around 7.7x relative to that? Either way, it's not an optical zoom of any kind if the lenses are all fixed focal length. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9017207268) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Pretty much every phone has this "feature" now though, so it's nothing new. Those who understand what's actually happening can weight the pros and cons of shooting in crop mode, and those who don't understand the difference probably don't care anyway. My OnePlus 12 has the main lens and a 3x telephoto, but I often use the 2x crop-zoom from the main lens when I want an in-between zoom, and don't need perfect image quality. For example, my wife asks me to send her a picture of the grocery list, I will probably use the 2x zoom. Like 5 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5790496851) [![YouAreTheChief]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2483316169) [YouAreTheChief](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2483316169) What I would be interested in is - is that 12 megapixel 8x zoom oversampled/quad bayer somehow ? Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3404065488) [![twostep]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/8011029877) [twostep](https://www.dpreview.com/members/8011029877) @YouAreTheChief yes, it is. It's most likely the same processing like they use to achieve the "2× zoom" from the main camera. The results are clearly better that if you'd do the cropping in post but it's not "optical zoom". Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0146245523) [![Absolutic]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0178328184) [Absolutic](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0178328184) When it comes to optical zoom we have formerly 5X zoom being reduced to 4X zoom, but with somewhat larger sensor. I have an older Samsung Galaxy S22 pro with true 10X optical zoom and Iphone 15 pro max with 5X zoom. I would have considered upgrading my Iphone if this had a true 8X optical zoom, but I don't see any reasons to upgrade otherwise. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4869798182) [scotthunter](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2625751235) This latest iPhone Pro is a big deal for photographers, not because of the built in cameras but the processor cooling. I do most of my photo editing of images from my full frame camera on Lightroom Mobile, and the iPhone 15 Pro overheated within minutes, causing the screen to dim. This should hopefully be a problem of the past with the new cooling technology. Like 5 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1018178067) [![Paulalikescameras]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9998993505) [Paulalikescameras](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9998993505) This is actually tech that has been seen for a while now, it's just that Apple purposely did not include it until now for the sake of long term stagnation. This is a rather small vapor chambor all things considered, they don't talk about the volume of it but I feel like it's partly because it's unimpressive by today's standards. It should indeed improve cooling though. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3760081311) [![Hans Z]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2020616260) [Hans Z](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2020616260) @ScottHunter, you actually bring up a very valid point here, that better cooling will (hopefully) avoid the screen dimming that I often encounter when using the iPhone outdoor in a tropical climate. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5206591817) [Oiche](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6685337475) I find that difficult to believe, no way Lightroom mobile cooks an iPhone 15. I have 16 Pro Max and LRM does nothing to it. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6630475712) [Husband80](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9547148149) This is the best phone, if I want to buy an IPhone 17. If I want a great phone, I'll probably stick with some Android flagship. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3563846238) [Henry McA](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9285843606) I´m going to get the iPhone Air because it costs more for less performance. It´s exactly what I need. Like 16 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3820217482) [Jx9](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9164271264) Loving the crop factor back on your table. Super quick to compare to older phone cameras and my full frame camera/lenses to get the true aperture equivalent. Like 16 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0828909057) [![Mathew Anderson]()](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mathew%20anderson) [Mathew Anderson](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mathew%20anderson) Awesome, we're glad you find it useful! Will keep this in mind for future articles. Like 18 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8100938886) [Jx9](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9164271264) I would recommend taking it a step further and putting the full frame aperture equivalent for all phone cameras and cameras like the Canon V1 in a running list. Fill it with ads because it will get a lot of traffic. Apple and others will take notice and strive to be high on this list. The 100mm telephoto lens on this phone has an equivalent aperture of f/17.4. I just tried taking a pic on my full frame Canon R6 70-200mm with those specs. Yikes. Very little background blur. I guess I have to stick to the 24mm main sensor for portraits still. I hate that focal length for portraits. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9939122776) [Bob A L](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3349315368) Doesn't really work that way. Lens is still a 2.8. aperture does not get smaller when we crop the image. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6382096871) [![NZ Scott]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7635545214) [NZ Scott](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7635545214) Well, it kind of does work that way in the sense that it helps us figure out how much light the lens is gathering. So, for example, when we talk about a 12mm f/2 lens on Micro Four Thirds, it's helpful to know that it's equivalent to 24mm f/4 lens on full frame. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9092742871) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) No 8K video or improvement in readout speed, by the look of the spec sheet. I don’t personally care about 8K video, and I’ve become accustomed to readout speed going nowhere of late, but I still hoped Apple with all of its clout could evoke an improvement chez Sony (the sensor maker). Would be nice for the base-level iPhone to get 120p like the Pro. Oh well. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2381697842) [Phantasmagorical](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4382991131) Oh you're just gonna go ahead and ignore ProRes Raw? Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9462922898) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) Heh. It’ll be a fine day when I can afford enough storage space to capture in ProRes RAW. But certainly nice for you fancy folk. Like 4 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3934312426) [winnegehetoch](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3333737475) @Samuel Dilworth You can use standard SSD’s connected via a (preferably powered) USB-C hub or directly. My Samsung T7 Shield allows around 800 megabyte per second sustained writing without problems. You’d probably not need more than some 200-300 megabyte/second - give or take guess - or thereabout for ProRES 422HQ or RAW at maximum speed on the iPhone 17 Pro (Max). That’ll expand the options a bit. ProRES 422HQ up to 60 fps in 4K is no problem on iPhone 15 Pro (Max) or later. My iPhone 15 Pro has 256GByte (around half always kept free), and handles 25 fps 4k ProRES 422 internally without problems for 25 minutes or so. If I use Cinema P3 (same settings, but 200 megabit/sec h265 4:2:2), I usually can handle recordings for approx. 80 minutes internally. Just mentioned as examples from daily use on my iPhone 15 Pro 256 GB - used extensively since release in 2023 nearly two years ago. Like 6 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7632799532) [MichaelofOz](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4541888099) Attach a portable SSD via the USB-C 3.0 connection? Definitely a cheaper option than a 2TB pro max. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6578619152) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) Raw video is turning out to be kind of a raw deal. It's actually not that much better than Log, while requiring vastly more storage space and processing power to work with. My current full framer can shoot it too.. but why? Its 4K output is already stunning in 10 bit. So.. all that storage and processing power and edit time for.. phone video. Super. Like 4 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5434104586) [winnegehetoch](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3333737475) @Mr Bolton That’s not true in real life in the 12-bit ProRES use cases (up to 6.2k open gate 25 fps) I have used. The two extra - linear - bits really deliver a visible difference in flexibility on top of standard RAW white balance and ISO adjustment in post. These are really, really valuable options, not supported in any matching way using 10-bit Log. Especially when delivering rendered 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 2020 HLG broadcast ready material, with the far wider Rec.2020 color space compared to the usual Rec.709 used for Log (Apple also uses the larger 2020 colorspace for log as default). It actually matters. Better “wiggle room” in post. Real life tests will soon crop up, and I certainly will compare results to my Lumix S5 and other cameras, that require the not really travel friendly Ninja V with a large NP-F970 battery or heavy powerbanks connected, as well as cables. I guess, that I won’t need to carry a Ninja V along anymore, if I want max quality. We live in interesting times. Like 5 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6360250866) [lightwriter](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3241409681) @Mr Bolton MotionCam Pro, only available for Android phones, can record raw video. In this video, you can see a comparison between the Samsung S24 Ultra and the iPhone 15 Pro: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIWpzvrKSS4&ab_channel=MotionCamProRAWVideoCapture> You can clearly notice that the Samsung footage has more detail. I expect the Apple's ProRes raw will provide the same degree of detail, too. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3403934757) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) While I'd rather shoot through an EVF than watch a screen, I don't do video for a living so I can definitely see the need for a Ninja. (My close up vision ain't what it used to be, sadly). So, can an iPhone 17 Pro take a full frame 85mm f1.8S or 135mm Plena, and give a video that real full frame Bokeh? (Insert equivalents on your favorite mount here, I just used Nikon as examples because I have it). And no, I don't mean "Shot on iPhone" with thirty grand worth of rigging and lighting and cinema glass in front of the phone's camera element. Because in that situation, my plain Jane ole' Android would also look pretty spectacular. Anyway, I wouldn't retain the services of any video crew I paid to shoot something, who just showed up with iPhones. For that, I could just have my daughter shoot it on hers. Not saying phones can't make good video-I'm just saying there's a difference, and it's the reason why there are real video cameras and equipment and lenses. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6476490298) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) And outside of us pixel peepers.. you're still getting video off a fingernail size sensor at most, usually much smaller. Do those extra couple bits really make \*that big of\* a difference? It's still phone video. Like 2 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5530753672) [winnegehetoch](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3333737475) @lightwriter Thank the almighty God of all infidels... Blackmagic today released Davinci Resolve version 20.2, the Studio version in my case, and lo and behold, it works. Supported directly. ISO, color temp and whatnot in previously recorded Lumix S5 12-bit 5.9k ProRES RAW. Even direct "RAW to Log: HLG" setting available as working environment. Yuhooo\! Now I just have to wait a few days, before I can include iPhone material into my (new) standard ProRES working environment, What a bright and sunny day today (even if rain is promised). Like 4 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1777830881) [winnegehetoch](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3333737475) @Mr Bolton While you complain I'll enjoy the opportunities from release day and onward. Travel light with optional ProRES RAW as extra "safety belt" in post is finally here (final verdict, when actually tested). I do not care HOW material was produced, if the quality is "sufficient" for my use. With the new and full ProRES RAW support in Davinci Resolve Studio, I have one less hurdle to pass. Blackmagic Camera App will also support ProRES RAW recording. It's a known and trusted App delivering reliable results. What's not to like? Like 3 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1498189403) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) Well I certainly wouldn't argue the positives of Davinci Resolve now supporting ProRes, yet I'm still unconvinced that it's gonna make that big a difference on phone video. Every little bit helps, I'll go along with that. But it's still phone video. Apple fan bois gonna fan boi. The large, fancy screen on my Android (or your iPhone) may also be used as an external monitor for whatever camera I am using. So the phone would still be quite useful in a video environment. I think I'd rather use it for that than for actual video acquisition. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9677735972) [winnegehetoch](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3333737475) @Mr Bolton Which pocket (chest or trousers) will hold my S5 or E-M5 with lens, Ninja Phone or V with cables? Why all the paraphernalia, with all the hazzle, when I just have to carry my iPhone (plus possibly the same Røde Wireless Pro, DJI Mic 2 or 3 for IEEE 32-bit float audio if needed) everywhere, anytime? And the iPhone i carry anyway - currently - is allowed most places. What’s not to like? It’ll also be interesting to test open gate use options in real life (already used on my Fujifilm X-M5 with great success). Like 4 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4576668135) [drewcassidy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1705825659) Apple’s store page for the iPhone 17 non-pro claims it has “0.5x, 1x, 2x optical zoom”. This appears to be a lie and it only does digital zoom? What’s going on here? Like 10 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9546902867) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) They’ve mangled the language until even camera nerds can’t understand it. That’s where we’re at. The “optical zoom” is neither a zoom nor achieved optically. It is varying crops from the centre. More correct English would be “digital crop” (but of course that stinks). Like 30 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0237207309) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) THANK YOU for stating it. I was saying the same thing when the previous iPhone came out and the term 'optical zoom' was being bandied about. So.. when Fuji uses a cropped region from the center of an X-100VI or GFX-100RF sensor, it's cropping-yet when Apple does it, it's ..optical zoom. If there aren't optical lens elements being moved to place a longer focal length image onto the full sensor surface area, then it is \*digital zoom.\* Like 4 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5789104552) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Maybe they could start calling it a "Bespoke zoom" instead. People seem to really like that word lately. BTW, I don't remember seeing "bespoke" on DPR much, so hopefully the editors are resisting the urge to insert it everywhere and anywhere. Keep fighting the good fight\! Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5164163628) [attomole](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1968554930) "Optical Quality Zoom" it took me while but I think what they are pushing here, is that if they fitted a variable aperture zoom, surly the only possibility given the geometry, it would loose light and optical quality as it zooms, similar to just cropping-in or fitting a 2X converter, BUT because they can flip the mode of the sensor to higher resolution, cropping is essentially "equivalent" to an optical zoom, added to that all the AI processing that can synthesise detail and colour information that degraded by the crop as well. That is, a complex folded optical path zoom, however ingeniously packaged won't be better than a software enhanced crop and pixel re-map. They are probably right. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7235637578) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) AI processing that can synthesize detail and colour information.. AKA fake. It's a fake photo. No longer a real picture but an AI interpretation. No, thank you. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9445315558) [attomole](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1968554930) Indeed Mr Bolton, There are already transformations taking place to de-mosaic, oversample, sharpen, resize, colour and contrast enhance before it goes in the photos application anyway, its making up pixels. But I do get your concerns, AI is now entirely making photographs up, not just adding a bit of interpolated texture to hair. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8373117540) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) Curiously, and meaningfully, the loss of tele ‘zoom’ (not really a zoom lens) from 5× on the old iPhones to 4× on the new ones is exactly made up for by the 25% linearly larger sensor. I’m sure that isn’t a coincidence. Like 7 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7248696792) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) To clarify in case I wasn’t clear: the sensor area used by the new iPhone Pro at an equivalent 5× (I think they called it ‘Fusion‘) is identical to the old iPhone Pro at its native 5×. So ‘reach’ performance should be practically identical despite the added flexibility of a shorter tele and less jarring gap between main and tele fields of view. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6667455579) [![Mitchell Clark]()](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mitchell.clark) [Mitchell Clark](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mitchell.clark) I'm pretty sure Apple literally said that was the case in its presentation ha. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7419744200) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) Did they? OK. I guess that was the target then: to at least equal the ‘reach’ of the iPhone 16 Pro tele. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9638176263) [deep7](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5291162839) It's still a huge gap from the 24mm efl camera to the 100mm efl camera. So much of my phone photography uses focal lengths in between those extremes. That is one reason I have little inclination to replace my (admittedly adequate) 12 "Pro". I'm really surprised they are continuing with this focal length selection, to be honest, especially as they are hanging on to the far less useful ultra-wide. Weird. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6808440076) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) Deep7: I share your view almost exactly. But at least 4× is better than 5×. I think Apple is caught between two classes of users with the tele specs. On the one hand, you have people serious about their photos and video, like many of us here at DPReview. We mostly want a lower ‘zoom’ factor to close the yawning gap between 24 mm-e and the tele camera, but with the largest possible sensor and lowest possible f-number in the (tiny) available space. On the other hand, if you go to non-photography tech sites like Ars Technica, users seem very interested in the longest possible ‘zoom’, with less understanding of the downsides. So they’re clamouring for more ‘zoom’. One other problem for Apple is that the tele lens really must have a substantial ‘zoom’ factor to beat a crop from the main camera, since the main camera sensor is so much larger. Why not make the tele sensor much larger too then? Good question. I guess the space constraints are even worse than they seem at first glance. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6369262842) [mosc](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6574836338) omg DPR giving actual crop factors for these lens modules! Thank you for doing the dirty work\! Such a big main camera sensor, nearly "type 1", combined with their computational photography techniques that's a hell of a lot of capability from something that small. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3675139815) [mosc](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6574836338) 26mm seems to be where phones have settled? Everything seems to reference this number. A "10x zoom" is a 260mm equiv. frame almost every time, for example. They like to weasel if it's optical or digital but at least we're getting more standard on the focal equivalent?? Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3935459142) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) It's digital zoom. Full stop. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7028656761) [mosc](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6574836338) It's not on the pro. I feel like when you shoot 10x in the UI, it's using the tele module (assuming it is a model that has it) and then crops from there to give you a 260mm equiv FOV, it's NOT a 10x digital crop of the tele module. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9410959996) [![Light Pilgrim]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7885297235) [Light Pilgrim](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7885297235) Same thing again and again, year on year. Like 15 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2579742245) [starbase218](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3475373899) It's so much better, faster, greater, newer. You want it, you really want it, you really really want it, you really really really want it. Is it working? ;) Like 17 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3921953948) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) Not on me, but it's working on a whole lot of other people. Hence the huge profits of cel phone companies. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1344667256) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) I'm no iPhone fan, but the main sensor in the 17 is approaching 1", and the sensors for the telephoto and ultrawide have literally just doubled in size. Seems like they deserve maybe at least a little credit? I mean, what more were you expecting from this year's refresh? A pop-up flash and an optical viewfinder? Like 7 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0705705189) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) Edgar\_in\_Indy wrote: “the sensors for the telephoto and ultrawide have literally just doubled in size” That is not my understanding. The ultra-wide seems identical to the old iPhone 16 Pro, and the tele is only 56% larger. Main camera sensor is also identical to the old one, but that was already big as you note. What has nearly doubled in size is the front-facing camera sensor, which is additionally now square. But clearly (because it’s square) it is never used all at once, so that exaggerates the improvement (though there are other improvements to the front camera). It’s incremental improvement rather than revolution, but that has been true of all cameras for many years now. A low-hanging fruit that Apple still refuses to pick: built-in variable ND filter. Baffling omission to this layperson. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4269777744) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Ah, I went back and read it, and you're right, it's only the selfie camera that doubled in size. That doesn't do much for me, but for most of the young people I know, the selfie camera gets a lot of use, so any upgrade there is good. Overall, the improvements seem to be incremental, but still very decent for a year-to-year release. Especially since we're talking about Apple, a company that usually skimps on hardware (other than their processor I suppose). Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7252097683) [starbase218](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3475373899) @Samuel Dilworth “the tele is only 56% larger” Maybe that will finally get it out of diffraction territory wide-open? But I’m not going to pay for that. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9860319704) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) It's an improvement, but the telephoto sensor is still subpar, lagging behind in light gathering with its 1/2.55" sensor and f/2.8 lens. My OnePlus 12 from last year uses uses a 1/2.0" sensor and an f/2.6 lens for telephoto, but the newest Oppo uses a 1/1.56" @ f/2.1, and the best Vivo has a 1/1.4" @ f/2.3. As usual, Apple cheaps out on hardware specs as much as possible until shamed by Android phones into offering things like bigger batteries, more storage and memory, and better cameras. Like 3 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2047900281) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) Apple learned the lesson decades ago: marketing is the most important aspect. Not technological capabilities. Ask former Commodore Amiga employees how they know.. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9925437429) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Ha I think you're right. I still remember how long they stuck with their one-button mouse, even if it meant their customers awkwardly using a keyboard button to mimic the functionality of a second mouse button, lol. Like 2 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0508040837) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) Amiga 1985: 4096 colors, four channel stereo sound, true preemptive multitasking GUI with integrated CLI; expandable, documented hardware with two expansion ports plus somewhat standerd PC serial and parallel ports. Native NTSC video genlocking capabilities, can sync to 24fps film shooting. \$2000 with monitor including stereo speakers. Mac 1985: 9" black and white screen, mono sound, no multitasking, no CLI at all; closed hardware, no expansion ports, requires a special tool to open the case for service. Can't be connected to any external displays, Apple proprietary serial port. SCSI, but really poor implementation. \$3000 to start. Mac had Steve Jobs to sell it. The Amiga had Commodore. So here we are. Like 0 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5544195874) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Yeah, fascinating to imagine how things could have turned out so differently without key people in certain places at the right time. "Butterfly effect" and all that. I never had an Amiga, or even knew anybody that had one, but I remember thinking they seemed cool. I probably at least saw one at Radio Shack or Sears at some point. My family did have an IBM PCjr though, which was a bit of a strange duck, but also forward-thinking in some ways. It could play three sound channels at once, which was two more channels than any other IBM PC at the time, lol. It also had enhanced CGA graphics that could display 16 colors on the screen, instead of just four. It could also accept cartridges, like a console, it had a wireless keyboard, and it could accept various upgrade modules on the side. Ours had a 128KB memory module on the side, bringing total RAM to 256KB. The first game I remember playing on it was King's Quest I when I was about 10. I was so impressed, ha ha. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8623924001) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) My friend's dad had money, so his family (and friends) got to use a PS/2 with 16 color graphics, and we spent many hours on King's Quest! This was 1989 or so, meaning I still had my Commodore 64 and Mars Saga, Racing Destruction Set, Caveman Ugh-lympics, Jumpman. I guess that's part of the reason why you can still buy brand new, made in 2025 hardware, software, and games for the Commodore 64, as well as the Amiga. Like 1 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7461056268) [cpt kent](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7215360831) \$1099 USD \$1999 AUD I’m happy to be explained to… Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6331438678) [![Maoby]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2006592831) [Maoby](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2006592831) Why are people in such a hurry to come and tell us they're not interested? 🤔 Like 24 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2399323739) [![jaberg]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6843681516) [jaberg](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6843681516) Because it’s business as usual in the DPR comments. Like 13 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5676351932) [Tony Hall](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7099950314) For me personally, I hate what Apple has done to photography. They killed compact cameras (and compact phones). Now we have these big clunky phones that take hideous, over processed images and that's now the look of photos from this generation. The whole thing is all wrong to me. Not to mention the fact that it's impossible for people to keep their lenses clean all the time because they're exposed and handled with oily fingers constantly, which makes phone pictures even worse. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2162763684) [Tony Hall](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7099950314) By the way, I am an Apple user and have been since the first iPhone. I just don't use my phone as a camera unless I have to... or as someone said earlier "taking photos of grocery lists" and stuff like that. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1412378984) [![Maoby]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2006592831) [Maoby](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2006592831) For my part, I have seen some very beautiful photographs taken with smartphones, by very competent photographers. Like 4 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8456453452) [![jaberg]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6843681516) [jaberg](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6843681516) For my part I’ve both seen and created some very beautiful “smartphone” photographs. (Apparently I’m able to wipe the lens with sleeve every now and then.) Judging a camera by the photographers that use it seems selective and not useful. I’ve seen a metric \*\*\*\*ton of truly bad photographs made with Sony cameras. (And to be fair, from Nikons, Fujis, Leicas… too.) Some of my “phone” photographs, printed as large as 60x40 inches, have hung publicly, adjacent to those from dedicated cameras, without having their origin “outed” or generating questions as to the camera used. Like 0 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4204456579) [![Imager of]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3804744227) [Imager of](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3804744227) That’s it for me. I’m switching to Samsung\! Like 6 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6346136022) [![Light Pilgrim]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7885297235) [Light Pilgrim](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7885297235) Say hi from me Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1294303848) [![Franz Weber]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0522607499) [Franz Weber](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0522607499) But when Samsung announces their latest flagship phones you will come back again, right? Like 7 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7597226627) [Kostasm](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2243608124) A piece of white paper under the bright sun is measured at 25.000 nits. When iphone's display gets there I'll upgrade. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4317896702) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Yeah, it'll be so cool when we have to wear sunglasses to comfortably look at our phone screens. Like 6 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5483918560) [Kostasm](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2243608124) @Edgar Sure, but it's even cooler when you take blind shots or answering unwanted calls due to direct sun hitting your screen. It's amazing. Like 1 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5342235093) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Point taken. I don't use my phone a lot in bright sunlight, but when I crank my OnePlus 12 up to max brightness, it's useable. I guess a little more brightness wouldn't hurt, but I wouldn't want to sacrifice in other areas, such as increased cost or reduce battery life, to get it. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2558170418) [Kostasm](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2243608124) @Edgar Indeed going above 10.000 nits would drain battery out. Let's hope hybrid displays will be developed that utilize ambient lighting. I consider today's display technology not quite there for outdoor use. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0739725010) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) Well, I just took my phone outside in bright direct sunlight, and at maximum brightness it was perfectly useable. My phone is a OnePlus 12, so I don't know how it compares to an iPhone screen. My wife has an iPhone 15, so when she gets home later I might see how they do side-by-side. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7815143132) [![green\_badger]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1613668599) [green\_badger](https://www.dpreview.com/members/1613668599) To be honest, I only follow this news because keeping the iPhone on a yearly release cycle has finally become absurd enough to be funny. Like 11 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3427000604) [Horshack](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9305851384) I stopped following the annual iPhone events after I bought my 12 mini. It's simply the perfect form factor for me and leaves me wanting for nothing in a phone. I hope Apple eventually returns to the form factor, at least before the model stops being viable. Like 9 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5294004849) [![goldiethedog]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0106119227) [goldiethedog](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0106119227) Exactly this although i got the 13 mini. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7950210217) [SethG](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0040838303) I assume the Minis didn't sell well, so it might be a while before they revisit that form factor. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5996733407) [![Adam-T]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6254305281) [Adam-T](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6254305281) I'd be sill using the ancient 12 mini sized 6S if it hadn't been OS update forgotten and the battery still lasted . at least apple still made small phones up til recently, the Scamdroid posse are still on the biggest is best principal Like 1 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9026997256) [Horshack](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9305851384) @Seth, It's an interesting question. Apple sold millions of the Minis, but because they sell so many more of their other form factors it was considered a relative disappointment. Any other phone maker would've been thrilled to have the Mini's sales numbers but for Apple it wasn't enough. Like 7 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2719198511) [Dennis](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4793540972) I like my 12 mini. I'm not eager to own a bigger phone, but I think that something along the lines of a 17 Pro (or 18 pro or 19 pro or whatever) is going to be in my future for one primary reason. My old RX100 is on its last legs and I'm not interested in spending \$1700 on the only remaining RX100 model currently available. Mine is the original with a 28-100 equivalent lens, so a phone that does a good job in that range will probably end up replacing compact digicams at some point. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8544900077) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) There are a wide variety of smaller form factor phones available from a number of "Scamdroid" vendors. You can either take what Apple gives you, or enjoy a wide array of choices. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7789704188) [starbase218](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3475373899) I'm guessing that won't be supported much longer though? Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4577316959) [SethG](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0040838303) @horshack Yep, exactly. The 12 & 13 minis probably sold well, but might have been the lowest volume iPhones. Or, as likely, Apple concluded that people would buy the more expensive regular iPhones if they couldn't get Minis, so profits would go up, and SKUs would go down. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3181990318) [![Edgar\_in\_Indy]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) [Edgar\_in\_Indy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2346611173) We still have a couple 13 minis in my family, but the battery life is pretty abysmal. Tradeoffs I guess. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=6093303029) [fnord77](https://www.dpreview.com/members/2094645895) I used to upgrade every year. Now I try to go for as long as I can without upgrading. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=5108292865) [![NZ Scott]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7635545214) [NZ Scott](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7635545214) I also have a 12 Mini and the battery still lasts me a full day. I'll probably buy a new phone this year, though - probably the standard iPhone 17 as the iPhone 17 Pro would feel too much like a brick after the Mini. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9924698044) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) SethG: “The 12 & 13 minis probably sold well, but might have been the lowest volume iPhones.” Actually, they sold pretty terribly by any standard, to my surprise. Sales were reportedly a low-single-figure percentage of total iPhone sales, with the 13 mini doing even worse than the 12 mini despite what I thought were strong upgrades at the time. I speak as a forlorn 13 mini owner. Samsung has already sold more wildly expensive folding phones than Apple sold mini phones in total. Puts things in perspective. I have one German friend who loved her 12 mini. Otherwise I have never even knowingly seen one in the wild, aside from the one in my pocket. It basically doesn’t exist. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8676428565) [SethG](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0040838303) Samuel Dilworth I think both could be true. 2-3% of iPhone sales would still be millions of units. And as Horshack said, any other smartphone manufacturer (except, maybe Samsung) would be thrilled with those kinds of numbers. The thin Air might tempt some of those folk. I'd probably be interested in it, if it had better cameras. Maybe we'll get an Air Pro next year :-) Well, we're supposed to get foldables next year, so that's what I'm waiting for\! Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7047511740) [Horshack](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9305851384) @Seth, Exactly. Apple sold 100M+ iPhone 12 units '21'-22, so low single % share for the Mini is millions of phones. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9081131691) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) The thin Air model looks like it will bend in half as soon as its installed in the back pocket of a pair of skinny jeans. IIRC it was the iPhone 6 or 7 that became famous for bending right at the volume rocker. I know that durability isn't a prime consideration when buying a fashion accessory like this, but it still looks pretty fragile to me. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4411851105) [starbase218](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3475373899) @Mr Bolton Apple did stress (pun not intended) that they have taken measures to make the body more rigid. But yeah, it does look quite thin. Maybe JerryRigEverything can do his thing. ;) Like 1 7 months ago\*[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0850019856) [![NZ Scott]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7635545214) [NZ Scott](https://www.dpreview.com/members/7635545214) I saw a video where some Apple marketers told a couple of guys to try to bend an iPhone Air. They couldn't. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9286130497) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) Yeah they didn't ask me to try and bend it. I work with my hands for a living. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2600183729) [![funtaril]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4460206770) [funtaril](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4460206770) Front camera doesn't seem to be able to produce square photos, probably something like GH5S situation with corners not covered by image circle (still cool) Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8460624728) [deep7](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5291162839) Ironically (I thought), a square-sensored camera I bought last week arrived today. I was intrigued enough to pay the very few pennies for it because it looked like my Rollei. Just like my Rollei, I can't get my head around actually using a square format! Anyway, I was amused to find another square sensor announced on the same day. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1230215616) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) I actually own a Rollei 126 camera and it even has the flash option.. oh Snap! I just now realized I have a fresh roll of expired 126 film that I paid five bucks for and wasn't sure which of my ancient cameras I would roll it through. Well this is gonna be a fun weekend!\! Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3950242444) [arhmatic](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5254012318) Cool. The Air gets the pro "gloss", while the Pro exterior has more of an "SE" entry-level feel. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8014673421) [deep7](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5291162839) That's why the Air isn't particularly cheap. For someone not camera-obsessed, who wants a reasonably classy phone, it's a nice enough option but it has to appear much nicer than an ordinary 17 to have the appeal, I suppose. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8468922217) [![Terrible Photographer]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5931893871) [Terrible Photographer](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5931893871) Big whoop Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4357359030) [CheerfulCactus](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3448482457) I'm surprised Apple brought ProMotion display to the standard phone. Although I guess VRR and 120Hz are no longer considered premium features when they're starting to show up on entry-level Androids. Can't wait to see how the 200mm tele performs, but I'm not sure about the longevity of the water-cooled design of the 17 Pro. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=0784316506) [MichaelofOz](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4541888099) Yupp, first ever iPhone to feature liquid cooling/vapour chamber tech. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8242711347) [![Mitchell Clark]()](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mitchell.clark) [Mitchell Clark](https://www.dpreview.com/about/staff/mitchell.clark) Vapor chambers aren't reallllly the same as the water cooling you'd find in larger PCs or servers, which have a pump (aka a moving part prone to failure). Several Android phones have used them for a few years now, and I don't think we've seen any reports of those being much of an issue. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4988648678) [CheerfulCactus](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3448482457) Sorry, it's a vapor chamber using deionized water. So obviously the question is how long will that chamber stay sealed? Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7426006167) [Louis Daguerre](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0311345633) For quite some time now, the focus of "innovation" in iPhones has been in how to make them cheaper, not better. Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=9363493300) [Lokomotive](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6602197162) In this case, the changes in lenses and sensors is absolutely better\! Like 6 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2734466606) [flyingskiguy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3399989324) I wonder if this will get Blackmagic to support ProRes Raw in Resolve. Like 3 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=1323798523) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) Blackmagic is the launch partner for the Genlock feature. Surely they have to support ProRes RAW at this point? Like 0 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=8715869908) [flyingskiguy](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3399989324) Resolve does not currently support ProRes Raw Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3283271564) [Phantasmagorical](https://www.dpreview.com/members/4382991131) Adobe premiere is coming to the iPhone so you might be able to edit prores raw on your phone which will be handy for quick turnarounds & simple edits, and who knows maybe more complex stuff. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=7445469171) [![Samuel Dilworth]()](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) [Samuel Dilworth](https://www.dpreview.com/members/9131255351) As I suspected, ProRes RAW is now supported in DaVinci Resolve (as of version 20.2). <https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/media/release/20250910-02> Took them long enough\! Pretty big news for some people. Like 2 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3796048845) [starbase218](https://www.dpreview.com/members/3475373899) Good for your cat pictures. Seriously... I mean, not everyone is a "creator". Not even everyone here is. Right? Am I the only one who thinks it's the same as last years? I'm on iPhone 15 Pro and... why would I upgrade? It's all the same. I like photography, but I like the isolation, I like that it's MY vision. It's not social, and it doesn't have to be. Like 7 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=2613567549) [Lokomotive](https://www.dpreview.com/members/6602197162) The upgrade in sensors and optical telephoto lens I've been waiting for years, and is significant, so this is an absolute upgrade for me, which is fine as I'm on a 12Pro\! Like 7 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=3797372499) [SethG](https://www.dpreview.com/members/0040838303) It looks like the cameras got a significant boost. More speed is great, but I don't know how practical that really is. Like 1 7 months ago[permalink](https://www.dpreview.com/news/2604105544/apple-iphone-17-pro-announcement?comment=4899245987) [Mr Bolton](https://www.dpreview.com/members/5042608781) Looks like they upgraded the tele module's sensor and kept the same optics, which would explain the 1x shorter tele length. 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| | |---| | [![iPhone-17-colors](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-colors.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-colors.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | Apple has announced its latest lineup of smartphones, the iPhone 17 and 17 Pro. It features two cameras, including an upgraded ultra-wide model, and retains the Camera Control button from the previous generation. ## iPhone 17 Pro | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-rear-panel-and-cameras.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | The company says it designed the iPhone 17 Pro "from scratch." It now features an aluminium frame, rather than a titanium one. Recent Videos While the main and ultra wide cameras appear to have been untouched, the telephoto camera has gotten an upgrade, making it so all three rear cameras are now 48MP. Previously, the [telephoto camera was only 12MP](https://www.dpreview.com/news/8163093616/iphone-16-pro-worth-upgrading-13-14-15-apple-cameras). Perhaps more importantly, the sensor has around 56% more area as well: it's now 23.5mm² compared to the iPhone 16 Pro's 15.3mm² telephoto sensor. | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array](https://3.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-camera-array.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | The larger sensor comes at the cost of a little less reach; the iPhone 16 Pro's telephoto camera was a "5x" 120mm equiv., while the 17 Pro's is a 4x 100mm equiv. model. However, the company uses the extra resolution to provide an 8x mode, taken from a center crop of the telephoto camera's sensor, similar to the 2x mode for the main camera. | iPhone 17 Pro / Pro Max | | | | | |---|---|---|---|---| | Focal length | Pixel count | Sensor size | f/number | Crop factor | | Main (24mm equiv.) | 48MP | Type 1/1.28 (71.5mm²) | F1.78 | ~3.5x | | Ultra wide (13mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.2 | ~6.2x | | Telephoto (100mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.8 | ~6.2x | | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action](https://1.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TC4x3S590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-front-camera-center-stage-in-action.jpeg) | | The new front-facing camera lets you take landscape selfies without having to turn your phone. *Image: Apple* | The phone also gets a new F1.9 "Center Stage" selfie camera, which Apple says is twice as large as the previous model. While the company is a bit cagey on details, the iPhone 16 had a Type 1/3.6 sensor, which was around 12mm². Presumably, this means the new camera is around 24mm². It's also now 18MP, up from 12, and is square rather than 4:3, letting users take landscape selfies without having to rotate their phone. This isn't the first time we've seen this approach; GoPro has been doing something similar since the Hero 11 Black. On the video side, the iPhone 17 Pro can now record in ProRes Raw, which Apple says will provide even more room to edit your footage in post. You can't shoot with the codec in the standard camera app, but it's available in the Final Cut Camera and BlackMagic Camera app. Apple has also worked with BlackMagic to create a dock for the phone, which adds Genlock support. | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-Pro-features-and-specifications.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | The phone is powered by the A19 Pro SOC, which Apple says is now attached to a newly-designed vapor chamber, designed to keep the chip performing well without making the phone uncomfortably hot to hold. It moves heat away from the back of the phone and spreads it out across the aluminum frame. Under that heatsink, the A19 Pro features 16 GPU cores, and the company says it should provide up to 40% better performance than the processor found in the iPhone 16 Pro. It features what Apple says is the "biggest battery in any iPhone," which can power up to 33 hours of video playback on the regular-sized model, and 39 hours on the Pro Max. The 17 Pro will start at \$1099 with 256GB of storage. That's a *de facto* \$100 bump in price compared to the base 16 Pro, which came with 128GB of storage, though it's less than the 256GB iPhone 16 Pro. The Pro Max starts at \$1199 for a 256GB model, and is available with up to 2TB of storage. ## iPhone 17 | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2](https://1.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-colors-with-ceramic-shield-2.jpeg) | | *Image: Apple* | The iPhone 17's camera setup has been improved, with the ultra-wide camera being upgraded to use a 48MP sensor, rather than a 12MP one. The phone will also now default to 24MP output files, rather than 12MP ones. It also gets the upgraded Center Stage selfie camera found in the Pro. | iPhone 17 | | | | | |---|---|---|---|---| | Focal length | Pixel count | Sensor size | f/number | Crop factor | | Main (26mm equiv.) | 48MP | Type 1/1.56 (48mm²) | F1.6 | ~4.3x | | Ultra wide (13mm equiv) | 48MP | Type 1/2.55 (23.5mm²) | F2.2 | ~6.2x | The phone's main camera appears to be the same 48MP model used by its predecessor, with the ability to crop in to the center region for a 2x zoom. | | |---| | [![iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras](https://2.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TC4x3S590x0~articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras.jpeg)](https://www.dpreview.com/files/p/articles/2604105544/iPhone-17-front-and-back-cameras.jpeg) | | The display is bigger, but there's no longer a larger option. *Image: Apple* | The iPhone 17 has a 6.3" display (compared to the 16's 6.1" model) with a 3000 nit peak brightness and "ProMotion," meaning it can run at 120Hz, rather than 60. It uses an adaptive refresh rate, so it doesn't spend a ton of power refreshing the screen while nothing's happening. The company has done away with the "Plus" model, which featured a 6.7" display. The 17 comes with a new processor, the A19, which Apple says is substantially more power efficient than the A18. It starts with 256GB of storage, double what the iPhone 16 started with. The phone starts at \$799, the same as its predecessor. *** Apple also announced the iPhone 17 Air, a thinner and lighter model than its more typical offerings. You can [check out our story about it here](https://www.dpreview.com/news/4849117269/apple-iphone-17-air-announced#viewComments).

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