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00:00 An hour north of the line dividing the U.S. and Canada, in a small town called Knowlton, the cross 00:05 -border relationship feels fragile. 00:08 We love the American people, but we're also defensive about our economy and want to support Canadian business, which we 00:16 feel might be under attack right now. 00:18 Having family in the United States as well makes things a little precarious right now. 00:24 Since President Trump imposed new tariffs on imports from Canada, the relationship has soured. 00:29 Canadian imports from the U.S. are down, and the nation slipped from being the largest buyer of U.S. 00:35 goods to number two, behind Mexico. 00:38 Canadians know that our old, comfortable assumptions and our geography and alliance memberships automatically conferred prosperity and security. 00:46 That assumption is no longer valid. 00:49 We are rapidly diversifying abroad. 00:51 The past few days, we've concluded new strategic partnerships with China and Qatar. 00:56 Although Carney is optimistic about Canada's economic agenda, February's jobs report paints a bleaker picture. 01:04 The country shed the most jobs in more than four years last month, sending unemployment up to 6.7 percent 01:10 from 6.5 percent in January. 01:13 We're all going to lose around 2 percent of our GDP because of the new trade environment. 01:17 That includes the United States. 01:20 When I say 2 percent, for somebody, it's 100 percent of their livelihood. 01:24 Stephen Polish succeeded Mark Carney as governor of the Bank of Canada and is now a special advisor at Canadian 01:30 business law firm Osler. 01:32 Let's talk a little bit more about the loss. 01:35 Where do we see it now? 01:37 Oh, you see it in autos. 01:38 You see it in steel. 01:39 You see it in aluminum. 01:41 You see it in copper and you see it in the forestry sector. 01:44 These are sectors that are deemed, you know, really strategically important. 01:49 As U.S. tariffs weighed on Canadian exports for much of the year, real GDP contracted in two of the 01:55 four quarters of 2025. 01:56 And for the year, increased by just 1.7 percent, the slowest pace of annual growth since the economy shrank 02:04 during COVID in 2020. 02:05 But right now, you still encounter that belligerence at the grocery store, you know, looking for the thing not made, 02:12 not grown in the United States. 02:13 Or, well, look, Mexican vegetable versus U.S. California. 02:18 You know, people are still doing that. 02:20 Some Canadians say they feel betrayed by the U.S., with more than half of respondents in a political poll 02:26 saying the country is no longer a reliable ally. 02:29 Life here before this particular round was wonderful. 02:36 We had a great relationship. 02:37 I guess it was February of last year when everything changed. 02:45 Louise Penny is a Canadian journalist-turned-author. 02:48 When she was on tour last year, Penny decided to redirect her U.S. tour dates back to Canada in 02:54 protest of Trump's tariffs. 02:56 She's also refusing to return to the U.S. until the trade war is over, a trend that's becoming increasingly 03:02 common amongst Canadians. 03:04 The decision to not tour in the United States was obvious. 03:10 It wasn't even a decision. 03:13 There was no way I was going to go into a country that had declared war on us any more 03:19 than I would imagine Americans if Canada had done the same thing to you. 03:24 But we sell merchandise here, and the vast majority of it went into the United States, now no longer. 03:31 Not because people don't want it, but because the tariffs are ruinous. 03:35 They can't buy a $30 mug and have $50 worth of tariffs put on it. 03:42 So we've lost huge amounts because of the tariffs. 03:46 And we're small. 03:48 I can only imagine what larger corporations in Canada are suffering. 03:53 What are CEOs saying? 03:55 What are they thinking at this point? 03:57 Well, they remain very cautious, I would say. 04:01 In areas where trade matters the most, they're essentially still frozen. 04:07 And they're the type of just doing keep the lights on, do our maintenance spend, keep our powder dry. 04:14 The truth is we need to be more competitive. 04:17 We need to be more productive. 04:18 This is not a unique problem to Canada. 04:20 Goldie Heider is the CEO of the Canada Business Council. 04:24 Prime Minister Carney always likes to emphasize that when it comes to the marginal effective tax rate, 04:30 the Canadian rate is the lowest in the G7. 04:33 Those kinds of things inspire confidence for businesses to be able to deploy capital. 04:38 Otherwise, you're going to see a lot of chilling and freezing of the capital. 04:42 Although small business owners and some industry CEOs are feeling the pinch, some have a more nuanced view. 04:49 All those policies are working, more so than I've ever seen in my 40-year career. 04:54 That's why I'd like Canada to endorse it and do the same thing. 04:58 Barry Zeckelman is the chief executive of Zeckelman Industries, a steel pipe and tube manufacturer. 05:04 He sees the relationship from both sides of the border, having started his business in Windsor, Ontario, 05:10 now having his headquarters in Chicago and producing his products in both countries. 05:16 How do the tariffs affect your business in Canada? 05:20 Tremendously. I'm paying massive tariffs to ship products from Canada into the U.S. 05:25 Can you put some kind of a dollar figure or percentage figure on what you're having to pay? 05:31 We're having to pay roughly almost $250, $275 a ton U.S. 05:40 So I'm paying $6, $7 million a month in tariffs. 05:45 It's huge. We've got to eat it. I've got to keep this plant running. 05:48 I'm trying. My U.S. customers need the product. 05:53 I'm manufacturing more and more in the U.S. We've upped our production there tremendously. 05:57 I mean, if you had to compare Canada to the U.S., the U.S. is booming. 06:02 I have never seen more robust demand. So the policies are working over there. 06:07 So the back and forth on tariffs, even though a lot's covered under USMCA, has put a chill on the 06:14 Canadian economy. 06:15 Yeah. We need to resolve it, all right? 06:18 I understand Prime Minister Carney, and he's our prime minister, so I've got to stand behind the leadership of our 06:24 country. 06:26 But we have to have a healthy trading relationship with the U.S. 06:32 It is not going to be replaced by other countries. 06:36 We can't just keep poking them in the eye and telling them we don't need you and standing there at 06:40 Davos pretending that these mid-market or mid-countries are going to band together against the U.S. 06:47 Every one of them is in the back door trying to sign a deal with the U.S. 06:50 It's not going to happen. 06:51 It's the greatest economy in the world. 06:53 It's the market that everybody in the world wants to be in. 06:57 And we're right next door to it with the longest border in the world next to it and biggest trading 07:02 relationship. 07:03 And we're saying, oh, we're going to move on? 07:05 That doesn't work. 07:07 That doesn't hold water. 07:08 When you sit there and, you know, oh, we're going to make it the 51st state, look, people got to 07:13 relax and people have to calm down. 07:15 You don't feel insulted by the president as a Canadian? 07:18 No, I've got thicker skin. 07:19 I mean, you can't get insulted like that and turn that into a global trading fight. 07:25 You know, read in between the lines. 07:27 I'm telling you, I believe with everything in my heart that if Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, had the right 07:34 relationship with Canada, a fair trading relationship and resolve some of these issues, 07:39 he'd put his arms around Canada and hug them and welcome them into the family because he would feel secure 07:45 that that we've got a family that's working together for the greater good of North America 07:51 against many bad actors who are bad for the U.S. and bad for Canada. 07:57 Like Zeckelman, Heider says it might be hard to separate business from personal when it comes to cross-border relations, 08:04 but in the long run, it might be for the best. 08:06 Canadians have the right to respond the way that they have. 08:10 Look, it's emotional response, but I will say this about Canadians. 08:14 We can separate emotion from reason. 08:15 We ran a survey not too long ago which shows that, you know, over 80% of Canadians feel very 08:21 strongly that this agreement is good, that it's working, and that it should be reviewed and renewed. 08:26 I mean, we have to some extent taken it for granted that we share this border with the largest economy 08:30 in the world, and we've been a little bit comfortable. 08:32 I have said this to many Americans, particularly in the administration. 08:36 It is not in your interest to have a weak Canada and a weak Mexico. 08:40 Let's be clear. 08:41 We are a very lucky group of countries. 08:44 This is not India, Pakistan, or China, Taiwan, or North Korea, or South Korea. 08:49 We are very fortunate to live in a neighborhood where we find a way to work together. 08:54 Half of Canadians believe it's still important to preserve Canada's trade agreement with the U.S. and Mexico, the USMCA, 09:01 or KUSMA, as the Canadians call it. 09:04 It's up for review in July of this year, begging the question, what comes next? 09:09 As KUSMA gets renegotiated, and as the tariff situation goes on, there's been talk of Mexico and Canada sort of 09:16 reaching over the United States and concluding some type of their own agreement. 09:22 Do you see anything like that happening? 09:24 Right now, I think we can both kind of treat as, you know, you can invest in Mexico, and that 09:29 gives you access to the United States market. 09:31 That's basically what USMCA kind of does. 09:35 And same thing in Canada. 09:36 And so that's where investment comes, the platform for trade in North America. 09:42 Could it be the other way around, or as you say, go over? 09:45 Well, of course it can, because that's the nature of the current agreement. 09:49 We'll see how the KUSMA or USMCA renegotiations go. 09:55 But frankly, they could go nowhere. 09:57 I do not like the fact at all that there are these trade tensions between Canada and the U.S. 10:03 I would absolutely love for this temperature to come down. 10:06 I think that these two countries should have a robust trading relationship between the two of them. 10:12 I think that there's a lot of things that Canada can offer to the U.S., and I think there's 10:17 a lot of things the U.S. can offer to Canada. 10:19 And I think that they need to get to the issues that are contentious, deal with them, and move on. 10:25 I mean, if you talk to any Canadian, you know, they're upset. 10:29 Their pride's been hurt, and they feel they're standing up to what they perceive as a bully. 10:35 I think it will be an important component of his legacy if we're able to review and renew it 10:39 and allow it to continue to bring about the prosperity and the growth and the security that it has offered, 10:45 you know, for decades now. 10:46 What we cannot have is an agreement that some have called a zombie agreement. 10:51 It exists, but it doesn't really mean anything. 10:53 It just kind of perpetuates out there in the abyss. 10:55 That's not constructive. 10:57 And let me be clear about one thing that your viewers of more than anywhere else in the world would 11:00 understand. 11:01 Capital doesn't have a heart. 11:03 Canadians like Americans. 11:04 I think Americans like Canadians. 11:06 And we'll get through this.
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01:37Oh, you see it in autos. 01:38You see it in steel. 01:39You see it in aluminum. 01:41You see it in copper and you see it in the forestry sector. 01:44These are sectors that are deemed, you know, really strategically important. 01:49As U.S. tariffs weighed on Canadian exports for much of the year, real GDP contracted in two of the 01:55four quarters of 2025. 01:56And for the year, increased by just 1.7 percent, the slowest pace of annual growth since the economy shrank 02:04during COVID in 2020. 02:05But right now, you still encounter that belligerence at the grocery store, you know, looking for the thing not made, 02:12not grown in the United States. 02:13Or, well, look, Mexican vegetable versus U.S. California. 02:18You know, people are still doing that. 02:20Some Canadians say they feel betrayed by the U.S., with more than half of respondents in a political poll 02:26saying the country is no longer a reliable ally. 02:29Life here before this particular round was wonderful. 02:36We had a great relationship. 02:37I guess it was February of last year when everything changed. 02:45Louise Penny is a Canadian journalist-turned-author. 02:48When she was on tour last year, Penny decided to redirect her U.S. tour dates back to Canada in 02:54protest of Trump's tariffs. 02:56She's also refusing to return to the U.S. until the trade war is over, a trend that's becoming increasingly 03:02common amongst Canadians. 03:04The decision to not tour in the United States was obvious. 03:10It wasn't even a decision. 03:13There was no way I was going to go into a country that had declared war on us any more 03:19than I would imagine Americans if Canada had done the same thing to you. 03:24But we sell merchandise here, and the vast majority of it went into the United States, now no longer. 03:31Not because people don't want it, but because the tariffs are ruinous. 03:35They can't buy a \$30 mug and have \$50 worth of tariffs put on it. 03:42So we've lost huge amounts because of the tariffs. 03:46And we're small. 03:48I can only imagine what larger corporations in Canada are suffering. 03:53What are CEOs saying? 03:55What are they thinking at this point? 03:57Well, they remain very cautious, I would say. 04:01In areas where trade matters the most, they're essentially still frozen. 04:07And they're the type of just doing keep the lights on, do our maintenance spend, keep our powder dry. 04:14The truth is we need to be more competitive. 04:17We need to be more productive. 04:18This is not a unique problem to Canada. 04:20Goldie Heider is the CEO of the Canada Business Council. 04:24Prime Minister Carney always likes to emphasize that when it comes to the marginal effective tax rate, 04:30the Canadian rate is the lowest in the G7. 04:33Those kinds of things inspire confidence for businesses to be able to deploy capital. 04:38Otherwise, you're going to see a lot of chilling and freezing of the capital. 04:42Although small business owners and some industry CEOs are feeling the pinch, some have a more nuanced view. 04:49All those policies are working, more so than I've ever seen in my 40-year career. 04:54That's why I'd like Canada to endorse it and do the same thing. 04:58Barry Zeckelman is the chief executive of Zeckelman Industries, a steel pipe and tube manufacturer. 05:04He sees the relationship from both sides of the border, having started his business in Windsor, Ontario, 05:10now having his headquarters in Chicago and producing his products in both countries. 05:16How do the tariffs affect your business in Canada? 05:20Tremendously. I'm paying massive tariffs to ship products from Canada into the U.S. 05:25Can you put some kind of a dollar figure or percentage figure on what you're having to pay? 05:31We're having to pay roughly almost \$250, \$275 a ton U.S. 05:40So I'm paying \$6, \$7 million a month in tariffs. 05:45It's huge. We've got to eat it. I've got to keep this plant running. 05:48I'm trying. My U.S. customers need the product. 05:53I'm manufacturing more and more in the U.S. We've upped our production there tremendously. 05:57I mean, if you had to compare Canada to the U.S., the U.S. is booming. 06:02I have never seen more robust demand. So the policies are working over there. 06:07So the back and forth on tariffs, even though a lot's covered under USMCA, has put a chill on the 06:14Canadian economy. 06:15Yeah. We need to resolve it, all right? 06:18I understand Prime Minister Carney, and he's our prime minister, so I've got to stand behind the leadership of our 06:24country. 06:26But we have to have a healthy trading relationship with the U.S. 06:32It is not going to be replaced by other countries. 06:36We can't just keep poking them in the eye and telling them we don't need you and standing there at 06:40Davos pretending that these mid-market or mid-countries are going to band together against the U.S. 06:47Every one of them is in the back door trying to sign a deal with the U.S. 06:50It's not going to happen. 06:51It's the greatest economy in the world. 06:53It's the market that everybody in the world wants to be in. 06:57And we're right next door to it with the longest border in the world next to it and biggest trading 07:02relationship. 07:03And we're saying, oh, we're going to move on? 07:05That doesn't work. 07:07That doesn't hold water. 07:08When you sit there and, you know, oh, we're going to make it the 51st state, look, people got to 07:13relax and people have to calm down. 07:15You don't feel insulted by the president as a Canadian? 07:18No, I've got thicker skin. 07:19I mean, you can't get insulted like that and turn that into a global trading fight. 07:25You know, read in between the lines. 07:27I'm telling you, I believe with everything in my heart that if Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, had the right 07:34relationship with Canada, a fair trading relationship and resolve some of these issues, 07:39he'd put his arms around Canada and hug them and welcome them into the family because he would feel secure 07:45that that we've got a family that's working together for the greater good of North America 07:51against many bad actors who are bad for the U.S. and bad for Canada. 07:57Like Zeckelman, Heider says it might be hard to separate business from personal when it comes to cross-border relations, 08:04but in the long run, it might be for the best. 08:06Canadians have the right to respond the way that they have. 08:10Look, it's emotional response, but I will say this about Canadians. 08:14We can separate emotion from reason. 08:15We ran a survey not too long ago which shows that, you know, over 80% of Canadians feel very 08:21strongly that this agreement is good, that it's working, and that it should be reviewed and renewed. 08:26I mean, we have to some extent taken it for granted that we share this border with the largest economy 08:30in the world, and we've been a little bit comfortable. 08:32I have said this to many Americans, particularly in the administration. 08:36It is not in your interest to have a weak Canada and a weak Mexico. 08:40Let's be clear. 08:41We are a very lucky group of countries. 08:44This is not India, Pakistan, or China, Taiwan, or North Korea, or South Korea. 08:49We are very fortunate to live in a neighborhood where we find a way to work together. 08:54Half of Canadians believe it's still important to preserve Canada's trade agreement with the U.S. and Mexico, the USMCA, 09:01or KUSMA, as the Canadians call it. 09:04It's up for review in July of this year, begging the question, what comes next? 09:09As KUSMA gets renegotiated, and as the tariff situation goes on, there's been talk of Mexico and Canada sort of 09:16reaching over the United States and concluding some type of their own agreement. 09:22Do you see anything like that happening? 09:24Right now, I think we can both kind of treat as, you know, you can invest in Mexico, and that 09:29gives you access to the United States market. 09:31That's basically what USMCA kind of does. 09:35And same thing in Canada. 09:36And so that's where investment comes, the platform for trade in North America. 09:42Could it be the other way around, or as you say, go over? 09:45Well, of course it can, because that's the nature of the current agreement. 09:49We'll see how the KUSMA or USMCA renegotiations go. 09:55But frankly, they could go nowhere. 09:57I do not like the fact at all that there are these trade tensions between Canada and the U.S. 10:03I would absolutely love for this temperature to come down. 10:06I think that these two countries should have a robust trading relationship between the two of them. 10:12I think that there's a lot of things that Canada can offer to the U.S., and I think there's 10:17a lot of things the U.S. can offer to Canada. 10:19And I think that they need to get to the issues that are contentious, deal with them, and move on. 10:25I mean, if you talk to any Canadian, you know, they're upset. 10:29Their pride's been hurt, and they feel they're standing up to what they perceive as a bully. 10:35I think it will be an important component of his legacy if we're able to review and renew it 10:39and allow it to continue to bring about the prosperity and the growth and the security that it has offered, 10:45you know, for decades now. 10:46What we cannot have is an agreement that some have called a zombie agreement. 10:51It exists, but it doesn't really mean anything. 10:53It just kind of perpetuates out there in the abyss. 10:55That's not constructive. 10:57And let me be clear about one thing that your viewers of more than anywhere else in the world would 11:00understand. 11:01Capital doesn't have a heart. 11:03Canadians like Americans. 11:04I think Americans like Canadians. 11:06And we'll get through this. 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00:00An hour north of the line dividing the U.S. and Canada, in a small town called Knowlton, the cross 00:05\-border relationship feels fragile. 00:08We love the American people, but we're also defensive about our economy and want to support Canadian business, which we 00:16feel might be under attack right now. 00:18Having family in the United States as well makes things a little precarious right now. 00:24Since President Trump imposed new tariffs on imports from Canada, the relationship has soured. 00:29Canadian imports from the U.S. are down, and the nation slipped from being the largest buyer of U.S. 00:35goods to number two, behind Mexico. 00:38Canadians know that our old, comfortable assumptions and our geography and alliance memberships automatically conferred prosperity and security. 00:46That assumption is no longer valid. 00:49We are rapidly diversifying abroad. 00:51The past few days, we've concluded new strategic partnerships with China and Qatar. 00:56Although Carney is optimistic about Canada's economic agenda, February's jobs report paints a bleaker picture. 01:04The country shed the most jobs in more than four years last month, sending unemployment up to 6.7 percent 01:10from 6.5 percent in January. 01:13We're all going to lose around 2 percent of our GDP because of the new trade environment. 01:17That includes the United States. 01:20When I say 2 percent, for somebody, it's 100 percent of their livelihood. 01:24Stephen Polish succeeded Mark Carney as governor of the Bank of Canada and is now a special advisor at Canadian 01:30business law firm Osler. 01:32Let's talk a little bit more about the loss. 01:35Where do we see it now? 01:37Oh, you see it in autos. 01:38You see it in steel. 01:39You see it in aluminum. 01:41You see it in copper and you see it in the forestry sector. 01:44These are sectors that are deemed, you know, really strategically important. 01:49As U.S. tariffs weighed on Canadian exports for much of the year, real GDP contracted in two of the 01:55four quarters of 2025. 01:56And for the year, increased by just 1.7 percent, the slowest pace of annual growth since the economy shrank 02:04during COVID in 2020. 02:05But right now, you still encounter that belligerence at the grocery store, you know, looking for the thing not made, 02:12not grown in the United States. 02:13Or, well, look, Mexican vegetable versus U.S. California. 02:18You know, people are still doing that. 02:20Some Canadians say they feel betrayed by the U.S., with more than half of respondents in a political poll 02:26saying the country is no longer a reliable ally. 02:29Life here before this particular round was wonderful. 02:36We had a great relationship. 02:37I guess it was February of last year when everything changed. 02:45Louise Penny is a Canadian journalist-turned-author. 02:48When she was on tour last year, Penny decided to redirect her U.S. tour dates back to Canada in 02:54protest of Trump's tariffs. 02:56She's also refusing to return to the U.S. until the trade war is over, a trend that's becoming increasingly 03:02common amongst Canadians. 03:04The decision to not tour in the United States was obvious. 03:10It wasn't even a decision. 03:13There was no way I was going to go into a country that had declared war on us any more 03:19than I would imagine Americans if Canada had done the same thing to you. 03:24But we sell merchandise here, and the vast majority of it went into the United States, now no longer. 03:31Not because people don't want it, but because the tariffs are ruinous. 03:35They can't buy a \$30 mug and have \$50 worth of tariffs put on it. 03:42So we've lost huge amounts because of the tariffs. 03:46And we're small. 03:48I can only imagine what larger corporations in Canada are suffering. 03:53What are CEOs saying? 03:55What are they thinking at this point? 03:57Well, they remain very cautious, I would say. 04:01In areas where trade matters the most, they're essentially still frozen. 04:07And they're the type of just doing keep the lights on, do our maintenance spend, keep our powder dry. 04:14The truth is we need to be more competitive. 04:17We need to be more productive. 04:18This is not a unique problem to Canada. 04:20Goldie Heider is the CEO of the Canada Business Council. 04:24Prime Minister Carney always likes to emphasize that when it comes to the marginal effective tax rate, 04:30the Canadian rate is the lowest in the G7. 04:33Those kinds of things inspire confidence for businesses to be able to deploy capital. 04:38Otherwise, you're going to see a lot of chilling and freezing of the capital. 04:42Although small business owners and some industry CEOs are feeling the pinch, some have a more nuanced view. 04:49All those policies are working, more so than I've ever seen in my 40-year career. 04:54That's why I'd like Canada to endorse it and do the same thing. 04:58Barry Zeckelman is the chief executive of Zeckelman Industries, a steel pipe and tube manufacturer. 05:04He sees the relationship from both sides of the border, having started his business in Windsor, Ontario, 05:10now having his headquarters in Chicago and producing his products in both countries. 05:16How do the tariffs affect your business in Canada? 05:20Tremendously. I'm paying massive tariffs to ship products from Canada into the U.S. 05:25Can you put some kind of a dollar figure or percentage figure on what you're having to pay? 05:31We're having to pay roughly almost \$250, \$275 a ton U.S. 05:40So I'm paying \$6, \$7 million a month in tariffs. 05:45It's huge. We've got to eat it. I've got to keep this plant running. 05:48I'm trying. My U.S. customers need the product. 05:53I'm manufacturing more and more in the U.S. We've upped our production there tremendously. 05:57I mean, if you had to compare Canada to the U.S., the U.S. is booming. 06:02I have never seen more robust demand. So the policies are working over there. 06:07So the back and forth on tariffs, even though a lot's covered under USMCA, has put a chill on the 06:14Canadian economy. 06:15Yeah. We need to resolve it, all right? 06:18I understand Prime Minister Carney, and he's our prime minister, so I've got to stand behind the leadership of our 06:24country. 06:26But we have to have a healthy trading relationship with the U.S. 06:32It is not going to be replaced by other countries. 06:36We can't just keep poking them in the eye and telling them we don't need you and standing there at 06:40Davos pretending that these mid-market or mid-countries are going to band together against the U.S. 06:47Every one of them is in the back door trying to sign a deal with the U.S. 06:50It's not going to happen. 06:51It's the greatest economy in the world. 06:53It's the market that everybody in the world wants to be in. 06:57And we're right next door to it with the longest border in the world next to it and biggest trading 07:02relationship. 07:03And we're saying, oh, we're going to move on? 07:05That doesn't work. 07:07That doesn't hold water. 07:08When you sit there and, you know, oh, we're going to make it the 51st state, look, people got to 07:13relax and people have to calm down. 07:15You don't feel insulted by the president as a Canadian? 07:18No, I've got thicker skin. 07:19I mean, you can't get insulted like that and turn that into a global trading fight. 07:25You know, read in between the lines. 07:27I'm telling you, I believe with everything in my heart that if Donald Trump, President Donald Trump, had the right 07:34relationship with Canada, a fair trading relationship and resolve some of these issues, 07:39he'd put his arms around Canada and hug them and welcome them into the family because he would feel secure 07:45that that we've got a family that's working together for the greater good of North America 07:51against many bad actors who are bad for the U.S. and bad for Canada. 07:57Like Zeckelman, Heider says it might be hard to separate business from personal when it comes to cross-border relations, 08:04but in the long run, it might be for the best. 08:06Canadians have the right to respond the way that they have. 08:10Look, it's emotional response, but I will say this about Canadians. 08:14We can separate emotion from reason. 08:15We ran a survey not too long ago which shows that, you know, over 80% of Canadians feel very 08:21strongly that this agreement is good, that it's working, and that it should be reviewed and renewed. 08:26I mean, we have to some extent taken it for granted that we share this border with the largest economy 08:30in the world, and we've been a little bit comfortable. 08:32I have said this to many Americans, particularly in the administration. 08:36It is not in your interest to have a weak Canada and a weak Mexico. 08:40Let's be clear. 08:41We are a very lucky group of countries. 08:44This is not India, Pakistan, or China, Taiwan, or North Korea, or South Korea. 08:49We are very fortunate to live in a neighborhood where we find a way to work together. 08:54Half of Canadians believe it's still important to preserve Canada's trade agreement with the U.S. and Mexico, the USMCA, 09:01or KUSMA, as the Canadians call it. 09:04It's up for review in July of this year, begging the question, what comes next? 09:09As KUSMA gets renegotiated, and as the tariff situation goes on, there's been talk of Mexico and Canada sort of 09:16reaching over the United States and concluding some type of their own agreement. 09:22Do you see anything like that happening? 09:24Right now, I think we can both kind of treat as, you know, you can invest in Mexico, and that 09:29gives you access to the United States market. 09:31That's basically what USMCA kind of does. 09:35And same thing in Canada. 09:36And so that's where investment comes, the platform for trade in North America. 09:42Could it be the other way around, or as you say, go over? 09:45Well, of course it can, because that's the nature of the current agreement. 09:49We'll see how the KUSMA or USMCA renegotiations go. 09:55But frankly, they could go nowhere. 09:57I do not like the fact at all that there are these trade tensions between Canada and the U.S. 10:03I would absolutely love for this temperature to come down. 10:06I think that these two countries should have a robust trading relationship between the two of them. 10:12I think that there's a lot of things that Canada can offer to the U.S., and I think there's 10:17a lot of things the U.S. can offer to Canada. 10:19And I think that they need to get to the issues that are contentious, deal with them, and move on. 10:25I mean, if you talk to any Canadian, you know, they're upset. 10:29Their pride's been hurt, and they feel they're standing up to what they perceive as a bully. 10:35I think it will be an important component of his legacy if we're able to review and renew it 10:39and allow it to continue to bring about the prosperity and the growth and the security that it has offered, 10:45you know, for decades now. 10:46What we cannot have is an agreement that some have called a zombie agreement. 10:51It exists, but it doesn't really mean anything. 10:53It just kind of perpetuates out there in the abyss. 10:55That's not constructive. 10:57And let me be clear about one thing that your viewers of more than anywhere else in the world would 11:00understand. 11:01Capital doesn't have a heart. 11:03Canadians like Americans. 11:04I think Americans like Canadians. 11:06And we'll get through this.
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