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curl -X POST \
  'http://laksa143.int.ahrefs:8124/' \
  -H 'Content-Type: text/plain' \
  -H 'X-ClickHouse-Database: crawler3' \
  -H 'Authorization: Basic YXBpOg==' \
  -d 'SELECT getAhrefsURLFromUnparsed(src_unparsed) AS found_url, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(download_stamp), 0) AS crawl_time, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(props_url_first_seen), 0) AS first_indexed_time, download_http_code AS http_code, src_unparsed AS src_unparsed, src_root_hash AS src_root_hash, history_drop_reason AS history_drop_reason, meta_title AS meta_title, meta_descriptions AS meta_descriptions, attrs_boilerpipe_text AS attrs_boilerpipe_text, attrs_markdown AS attrs_markdown, attrs_readable_markdown AS attrs_readable_markdown, meta_canonical AS meta_canonical FROM crawler3.page_info_local FINAL PREWHERE (src_root_hash, src_unparsed) IN ((getAhrefsRootHashFromUnparsed(getAhrefsUnparsedNoserviceFromURL(\'https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-locker-room-talk-donald-trump/\')), getAhrefsUnparsedNoserviceFromURL(\'https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-locker-room-talk-donald-trump/\'))) FORMAT JSONEachRow'

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{"found_url":"https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/the-locker-room-talk-donald-trump\/","crawl_time":1774196648,"first_indexed_time":1506068397,"http_code":200,"src_unparsed":"com,cbsnews!www,\/news\/the-locker-room-talk-donald-trump\/ s443","src_root_hash":"10008871826360721943","history_drop_reason":null,"meta_title":"The Locker Room Talk - CBS News","meta_descriptions":["A conversation in the kitchen quickly headed into the locker room"],"attrs_boilerpipe_text":"October 11, 2016 \/ 11:00 AM EDT\n\/ CBS News\nAdd CBS News on Google\nHave you had “the talk” with your kids yet? Mine are adolescents and I had the talk with them yesterday. It started as a discussion about the second presidential debate. \nWhenever I come off the road, we talk about what we did while we were apart. They asked me about\nthe debate\n.  My son and daughter had already heard about it from their friends and the news. A conversation in the kitchen quickly headed into the locker room.\nThey’re old enough to have been in locker rooms but not those kinds of locker rooms and definitely not the sad room (if it exists) where men delight in boasting about repeatedly groping women against their will. \nMy audience: a boy becoming a man listening for clues what men are supposed to be like. A girl becoming a woman hearing about how women are viewed in the world she will join. We were no longer talking about the presidential campaign. The separation of powers was no help to me here. \nThis is a tough spot for a parent because before you can put something in context, you have to describe something ugly. I was reminded of that first time when the kids were very much younger that we had to teach them what to do if someone touched them in a way that made them uncomfortable. \nOnly a parent or a nurse if she asks you first. \nWhen you tell them this, they wonder why you’re telling them this. Because someone might touch you where you don’t want to be touched without asking. \nWe were about to have that conversation again, but my daughter saved me. As I was describing what some men talk about in the locker room she interrupted to point out the distinction was between talking about women and talking about doing to women what we had taught them no one should be allowed to do to them. Yes.\nThis distinction is getting fuzzy in the public conversation.  \nGiuliani: Trump \"embarrassed\" by 2005 tape of lewd remarks\n06:56\nSunday, on Face the Nation\nI asked Rudy Giuliani\nexactly what on the video from 2005 Donald Trump was apologizing for. He couldn’t say, other than that Trump was apologizing for what he said. He wouldn’t be specific. The reason I asked is that different people hear different things in\nDonald Trump’s tape\n. \nHere is a portion of what Trump said:  “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait...And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything.”\nSome people hear Donald Trump boasting about physically forcing himself on women and other people just hear dirty words. The latter is locker room talk. The former, which is what Trump actually said, is the description of something that can get you arrested.  \nDonald Trump called this “locker room talk” in the debate. He benefits by framing his boasts about grabbing women by their private parts as the regrettable bawdy talk of male enclaves. It makes it less creepy. You could imagine that it even elevates it, given the place of honor professional athletes hold in our culture and the sense of achievement associated with belonging to a private club. The locker rooms that Donald Trump is in are not at the cut-rate gym with the broken treadmills, they are at his swish golf clubs. They are places of stature. \nUsing the term “locker room talk” blurs the line between what is criminal and what is simply oafish. That’s not a line anyone should want blurred. It’s the line I was trying to draw as sharp as possible in my kitchen. Expectations shouldn’t be lowered, even if Donald Trump was just telling stories to impress the crowd around him and never grabbed as many women as he suggested. Lower the bar for what you can talk about, and you lower the bar for what is acceptable behavior.\nMen have enough trouble on their own. Some of us do talk about women like objects, which dehumanizes them. We don’t need people thinking we’re all having fun, casual exchanges about sexual assault to amuse ourselves. Those of us who are fathers of sons don’t want any son to think this is honorable behavior no matter where the talk about it takes place. We might even want to raise men who would not seek to elevate their social status by boasting of preying on women without consent, but who would call people out when they boast about forcing themselves on women. That’s the advice I gave my son. It might not be politically correct to speak up, but it would be the right thing to do. I also knew my daughter was listening too. I want her to expect that kind of behavior of men, not the other kind.\nWhat makes people -- including\nathletes in locker rooms\n-- recoil at Donald Trump’s predatory remarks is that somewhere they were taught how a man is supposed to behave. Or we might have a woman in our life who we could imagine being talked about this way. If we were not taught directly, we picked up the signals from our teachers, our churches or our public figures. A new signal is being sent. The transmission didn’t start eleven years ago in a bus on a soap opera lot, it started last Friday. \nIn:\nRudy Giuliani\nDonald Trump\nGOP lawmakers condemn Donald Trump's vulgar 2005 comments\n03:03\nGOP lawmakers condemn Donald Trump's vulgar 2005 comments\n(03:03)","attrs_markdown":"- [Latest](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/the-locker-room-talk-donald-trump\/)\n  - [U.S.](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/us\/)\n  - [Iran Latest](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/live-updates\/iran-war-us-israel-gas-and-oil-prices-trump-netanyahu-strait-hormuz\/)\n  - [CBS News Poll](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/opinion-poll-iran-war-regime-2028-03-22\/)\n  - [World](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/world\/)\n  - [Politics](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/politics\/)\n  - [Entertainment](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/entertainment\/)\n  - [HealthWatch](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/healthwatch\/)\n  - [MoneyWatch](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/moneywatch\/)\n  - [Crime](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/crime\/)\n  - [Space](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/space\/)\n  - 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Mine are adolescents and I had the talk with them yesterday. It started as a discussion about the second presidential debate.\n\nWhenever I come off the road, we talk about what we did while we were apart. They asked me about [the debate](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/second-presidential-debate-live-fact-checking-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-st-louis-washington-university\/). My son and daughter had already heard about it from their friends and the news. A conversation in the kitchen quickly headed into the locker room.\n\nThey’re old enough to have been in locker rooms but not those kinds of locker rooms and definitely not the sad room (if it exists) where men delight in boasting about repeatedly groping women against their will.\n\nMy audience: a boy becoming a man listening for clues what men are supposed to be like. A girl becoming a woman hearing about how women are viewed in the world she will join. We were no longer talking about the presidential campaign. The separation of powers was no help to me here.\n\nThis is a tough spot for a parent because before you can put something in context, you have to describe something ugly. I was reminded of that first time when the kids were very much younger that we had to teach them what to do if someone touched them in a way that made them uncomfortable. *Only a parent or a nurse if she asks you first.* When you tell them this, they wonder why you’re telling them this. Because someone might touch you where you don’t want to be touched without asking.\n\nWe were about to have that conversation again, but my daughter saved me. As I was describing what some men talk about in the locker room she interrupted to point out the distinction was between talking about women and talking about doing to women what we had taught them no one should be allowed to do to them. Yes.\n\nThis distinction is getting fuzzy in the public conversation.\n\n[Giuliani: Trump \"embarrassed\" by 2005 tape of lewd remarks 06:56](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/video\/giuliani-trump-embarrassed-by-2005-tape-of-lewd-remarks\/)\n\nSunday, on Face the Nation [I asked Rudy Giuliani](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/face-the-nation-transcript-october-9-2016-giuliani-mook\/) exactly what on the video from 2005 Donald Trump was apologizing for. He couldn’t say, other than that Trump was apologizing for what he said. He wouldn’t be specific. The reason I asked is that different people hear different things in [Donald Trump’s tape](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/republicans-rebuke-trump-after-access-hollywood-tape-released\/).\n\nHere is a portion of what Trump said: “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait...And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything.”\n\nSome people hear Donald Trump boasting about physically forcing himself on women and other people just hear dirty words. The latter is locker room talk. The former, which is what Trump actually said, is the description of something that can get you arrested.\n\nDonald Trump called this “locker room talk” in the debate. He benefits by framing his boasts about grabbing women by their private parts as the regrettable bawdy talk of male enclaves. It makes it less creepy. You could imagine that it even elevates it, given the place of honor professional athletes hold in our culture and the sense of achievement associated with belonging to a private club. The locker rooms that Donald Trump is in are not at the cut-rate gym with the broken treadmills, they are at his swish golf clubs. They are places of stature.\n\nUsing the term “locker room talk” blurs the line between what is criminal and what is simply oafish. That’s not a line anyone should want blurred. It’s the line I was trying to draw as sharp as possible in my kitchen. Expectations shouldn’t be lowered, even if Donald Trump was just telling stories to impress the crowd around him and never grabbed as many women as he suggested. Lower the bar for what you can talk about, and you lower the bar for what is acceptable behavior.\n\nMen have enough trouble on their own. Some of us do talk about women like objects, which dehumanizes them. We don’t need people thinking we’re all having fun, casual exchanges about sexual assault to amuse ourselves. Those of us who are fathers of sons don’t want any son to think this is honorable behavior no matter where the talk about it takes place. We might even want to raise men who would not seek to elevate their social status by boasting of preying on women without consent, but who would call people out when they boast about forcing themselves on women. That’s the advice I gave my son. It might not be politically correct to speak up, but it would be the right thing to do. I also knew my daughter was listening too. I want her to expect that kind of behavior of men, not the other kind.\n\nWhat makes people -- including [athletes in locker rooms](http:\/\/www.cbssports.com\/nba\/news\/athletes-dispute-donald-trumps-characterization-of-locker-room-talk\/)\\-- recoil at Donald Trump’s predatory remarks is that somewhere they were taught how a man is supposed to behave. Or we might have a woman in our life who we could imagine being talked about this way. If we were not taught directly, we picked up the signals from our teachers, our churches or our public figures. A new signal is being sent. 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All rights reserved.\n\nView CBS News In\n\nCBS News App\n\n[Open](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/app\/?ftag=CNM-16-10abd6g&url=https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/the-locker-room-talk-donald-trump\/)\n\nChrome\n\nSafari\n\n[Continue](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/the-locker-room-talk-donald-trump\/#app)","attrs_readable_markdown":"October 11, 2016 \/ 11:00 AM EDT \/ CBS News\n\n[Add CBS News on Google](https:\/\/www.google.com\/preferences\/source?q=cbsnews.com)\n\nHave you had “the talk” with your kids yet? Mine are adolescents and I had the talk with them yesterday. It started as a discussion about the second presidential debate.\n\nWhenever I come off the road, we talk about what we did while we were apart. They asked me about [the debate](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/second-presidential-debate-live-fact-checking-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-st-louis-washington-university\/). My son and daughter had already heard about it from their friends and the news. A conversation in the kitchen quickly headed into the locker room.\n\nThey’re old enough to have been in locker rooms but not those kinds of locker rooms and definitely not the sad room (if it exists) where men delight in boasting about repeatedly groping women against their will.\n\nMy audience: a boy becoming a man listening for clues what men are supposed to be like. A girl becoming a woman hearing about how women are viewed in the world she will join. We were no longer talking about the presidential campaign. The separation of powers was no help to me here.\n\nThis is a tough spot for a parent because before you can put something in context, you have to describe something ugly. I was reminded of that first time when the kids were very much younger that we had to teach them what to do if someone touched them in a way that made them uncomfortable. *Only a parent or a nurse if she asks you first.* When you tell them this, they wonder why you’re telling them this. Because someone might touch you where you don’t want to be touched without asking.\n\nWe were about to have that conversation again, but my daughter saved me. As I was describing what some men talk about in the locker room she interrupted to point out the distinction was between talking about women and talking about doing to women what we had taught them no one should be allowed to do to them. Yes.\n\nThis distinction is getting fuzzy in the public conversation.\n\n[Giuliani: Trump \"embarrassed\" by 2005 tape of lewd remarks 06:56](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/video\/giuliani-trump-embarrassed-by-2005-tape-of-lewd-remarks\/)\n\nSunday, on Face the Nation [I asked Rudy Giuliani](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/face-the-nation-transcript-october-9-2016-giuliani-mook\/) exactly what on the video from 2005 Donald Trump was apologizing for. He couldn’t say, other than that Trump was apologizing for what he said. He wouldn’t be specific. The reason I asked is that different people hear different things in [Donald Trump’s tape](https:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/republicans-rebuke-trump-after-access-hollywood-tape-released\/).\n\nHere is a portion of what Trump said: “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait...And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything.”\n\nSome people hear Donald Trump boasting about physically forcing himself on women and other people just hear dirty words. The latter is locker room talk. The former, which is what Trump actually said, is the description of something that can get you arrested.\n\nDonald Trump called this “locker room talk” in the debate. He benefits by framing his boasts about grabbing women by their private parts as the regrettable bawdy talk of male enclaves. It makes it less creepy. You could imagine that it even elevates it, given the place of honor professional athletes hold in our culture and the sense of achievement associated with belonging to a private club. The locker rooms that Donald Trump is in are not at the cut-rate gym with the broken treadmills, they are at his swish golf clubs. They are places of stature.\n\nUsing the term “locker room talk” blurs the line between what is criminal and what is simply oafish. That’s not a line anyone should want blurred. It’s the line I was trying to draw as sharp as possible in my kitchen. Expectations shouldn’t be lowered, even if Donald Trump was just telling stories to impress the crowd around him and never grabbed as many women as he suggested. Lower the bar for what you can talk about, and you lower the bar for what is acceptable behavior.\n\nMen have enough trouble on their own. Some of us do talk about women like objects, which dehumanizes them. 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Boilerpipe Text	October 11, 2016 / 11:00 AM EDT / CBS News Add CBS News on Google Have you had “the talk” with your kids yet? Mine are adolescents and I had the talk with them yesterday. It started as a discussion about the second presidential debate. Whenever I come off the road, we talk about what we did while we were apart. They asked me about the debate . My son and daughter had already heard about it from their friends and the news. A conversation in the kitchen quickly headed into the locker room. They’re old enough to have been in locker rooms but not those kinds of locker rooms and definitely not the sad room (if it exists) where men delight in boasting about repeatedly groping women against their will. My audience: a boy becoming a man listening for clues what men are supposed to be like. A girl becoming a woman hearing about how women are viewed in the world she will join. We were no longer talking about the presidential campaign. The separation of powers was no help to me here. This is a tough spot for a parent because before you can put something in context, you have to describe something ugly. I was reminded of that first time when the kids were very much younger that we had to teach them what to do if someone touched them in a way that made them uncomfortable. Only a parent or a nurse if she asks you first. When you tell them this, they wonder why you’re telling them this. Because someone might touch you where you don’t want to be touched without asking. We were about to have that conversation again, but my daughter saved me. As I was describing what some men talk about in the locker room she interrupted to point out the distinction was between talking about women and talking about doing to women what we had taught them no one should be allowed to do to them. Yes. This distinction is getting fuzzy in the public conversation. Giuliani: Trump "embarrassed" by 2005 tape of lewd remarks 06:56 Sunday, on Face the Nation I asked Rudy Giuliani exactly what on the video from 2005 Donald Trump was apologizing for. He couldn’t say, other than that Trump was apologizing for what he said. He wouldn’t be specific. The reason I asked is that different people hear different things in Donald Trump’s tape . Here is a portion of what Trump said: “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait...And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything.” Some people hear Donald Trump boasting about physically forcing himself on women and other people just hear dirty words. The latter is locker room talk. The former, which is what Trump actually said, is the description of something that can get you arrested. Donald Trump called this “locker room talk” in the debate. He benefits by framing his boasts about grabbing women by their private parts as the regrettable bawdy talk of male enclaves. It makes it less creepy. You could imagine that it even elevates it, given the place of honor professional athletes hold in our culture and the sense of achievement associated with belonging to a private club. The locker rooms that Donald Trump is in are not at the cut-rate gym with the broken treadmills, they are at his swish golf clubs. They are places of stature. Using the term “locker room talk” blurs the line between what is criminal and what is simply oafish. That’s not a line anyone should want blurred. It’s the line I was trying to draw as sharp as possible in my kitchen. Expectations shouldn’t be lowered, even if Donald Trump was just telling stories to impress the crowd around him and never grabbed as many women as he suggested. Lower the bar for what you can talk about, and you lower the bar for what is acceptable behavior. Men have enough trouble on their own. Some of us do talk about women like objects, which dehumanizes them. We don’t need people thinking we’re all having fun, casual exchanges about sexual assault to amuse ourselves. Those of us who are fathers of sons don’t want any son to think this is honorable behavior no matter where the talk about it takes place. We might even want to raise men who would not seek to elevate their social status by boasting of preying on women without consent, but who would call people out when they boast about forcing themselves on women. That’s the advice I gave my son. It might not be politically correct to speak up, but it would be the right thing to do. I also knew my daughter was listening too. I want her to expect that kind of behavior of men, not the other kind. What makes people -- including athletes in locker rooms -- recoil at Donald Trump’s predatory remarks is that somewhere they were taught how a man is supposed to behave. Or we might have a woman in our life who we could imagine being talked about this way. If we were not taught directly, we picked up the signals from our teachers, our churches or our public figures. A new signal is being sent. The transmission didn’t start eleven years ago in a bus on a soap opera lot, it started last Friday. In: Rudy Giuliani Donald Trump GOP lawmakers condemn Donald Trump's vulgar 2005 comments 03:03 GOP lawmakers condemn Donald Trump's vulgar 2005 comments (03:03)
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Mine are adolescents and I had the talk with them yesterday. It started as a discussion about the second presidential debate. Whenever I come off the road, we talk about what we did while we were apart. They asked me about [the debate](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/second-presidential-debate-live-fact-checking-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-st-louis-washington-university/). My son and daughter had already heard about it from their friends and the news. A conversation in the kitchen quickly headed into the locker room. They’re old enough to have been in locker rooms but not those kinds of locker rooms and definitely not the sad room (if it exists) where men delight in boasting about repeatedly groping women against their will. My audience: a boy becoming a man listening for clues what men are supposed to be like. A girl becoming a woman hearing about how women are viewed in the world she will join. We were no longer talking about the presidential campaign. The separation of powers was no help to me here. This is a tough spot for a parent because before you can put something in context, you have to describe something ugly. I was reminded of that first time when the kids were very much younger that we had to teach them what to do if someone touched them in a way that made them uncomfortable. Only a parent or a nurse if she asks you first. When you tell them this, they wonder why you’re telling them this. Because someone might touch you where you don’t want to be touched without asking. We were about to have that conversation again, but my daughter saved me. As I was describing what some men talk about in the locker room she interrupted to point out the distinction was between talking about women and talking about doing to women what we had taught them no one should be allowed to do to them. Yes. This distinction is getting fuzzy in the public conversation. [Giuliani: Trump "embarrassed" by 2005 tape of lewd remarks 06:56](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/giuliani-trump-embarrassed-by-2005-tape-of-lewd-remarks/) Sunday, on Face the Nation [I asked Rudy Giuliani](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcript-october-9-2016-giuliani-mook/) exactly what on the video from 2005 Donald Trump was apologizing for. He couldn’t say, other than that Trump was apologizing for what he said. He wouldn’t be specific. The reason I asked is that different people hear different things in [Donald Trump’s tape](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-rebuke-trump-after-access-hollywood-tape-released/). Here is a portion of what Trump said: “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait...And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything.” Some people hear Donald Trump boasting about physically forcing himself on women and other people just hear dirty words. The latter is locker room talk. The former, which is what Trump actually said, is the description of something that can get you arrested. Donald Trump called this “locker room talk” in the debate. He benefits by framing his boasts about grabbing women by their private parts as the regrettable bawdy talk of male enclaves. It makes it less creepy. You could imagine that it even elevates it, given the place of honor professional athletes hold in our culture and the sense of achievement associated with belonging to a private club. The locker rooms that Donald Trump is in are not at the cut-rate gym with the broken treadmills, they are at his swish golf clubs. They are places of stature. Using the term “locker room talk” blurs the line between what is criminal and what is simply oafish. That’s not a line anyone should want blurred. It’s the line I was trying to draw as sharp as possible in my kitchen. Expectations shouldn’t be lowered, even if Donald Trump was just telling stories to impress the crowd around him and never grabbed as many women as he suggested. Lower the bar for what you can talk about, and you lower the bar for what is acceptable behavior. Men have enough trouble on their own. Some of us do talk about women like objects, which dehumanizes them. We don’t need people thinking we’re all having fun, casual exchanges about sexual assault to amuse ourselves. Those of us who are fathers of sons don’t want any son to think this is honorable behavior no matter where the talk about it takes place. We might even want to raise men who would not seek to elevate their social status by boasting of preying on women without consent, but who would call people out when they boast about forcing themselves on women. That’s the advice I gave my son. It might not be politically correct to speak up, but it would be the right thing to do. I also knew my daughter was listening too. I want her to expect that kind of behavior of men, not the other kind. What makes people -- including [athletes in locker rooms](http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/athletes-dispute-donald-trumps-characterization-of-locker-room-talk/)\-- recoil at Donald Trump’s predatory remarks is that somewhere they were taught how a man is supposed to behave. Or we might have a woman in our life who we could imagine being talked about this way. If we were not taught directly, we picked up the signals from our teachers, our churches or our public figures. A new signal is being sent. 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Readable Markdown	October 11, 2016 / 11:00 AM EDT / CBS News [Add CBS News on Google](https://www.google.com/preferences/source?q=cbsnews.com) Have you had “the talk” with your kids yet? Mine are adolescents and I had the talk with them yesterday. It started as a discussion about the second presidential debate. Whenever I come off the road, we talk about what we did while we were apart. They asked me about [the debate](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/second-presidential-debate-live-fact-checking-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-st-louis-washington-university/). My son and daughter had already heard about it from their friends and the news. A conversation in the kitchen quickly headed into the locker room. They’re old enough to have been in locker rooms but not those kinds of locker rooms and definitely not the sad room (if it exists) where men delight in boasting about repeatedly groping women against their will. My audience: a boy becoming a man listening for clues what men are supposed to be like. A girl becoming a woman hearing about how women are viewed in the world she will join. We were no longer talking about the presidential campaign. The separation of powers was no help to me here. This is a tough spot for a parent because before you can put something in context, you have to describe something ugly. I was reminded of that first time when the kids were very much younger that we had to teach them what to do if someone touched them in a way that made them uncomfortable. Only a parent or a nurse if she asks you first. When you tell them this, they wonder why you’re telling them this. Because someone might touch you where you don’t want to be touched without asking. We were about to have that conversation again, but my daughter saved me. As I was describing what some men talk about in the locker room she interrupted to point out the distinction was between talking about women and talking about doing to women what we had taught them no one should be allowed to do to them. Yes. This distinction is getting fuzzy in the public conversation. [Giuliani: Trump "embarrassed" by 2005 tape of lewd remarks 06:56](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/giuliani-trump-embarrassed-by-2005-tape-of-lewd-remarks/) Sunday, on Face the Nation [I asked Rudy Giuliani](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-nation-transcript-october-9-2016-giuliani-mook/) exactly what on the video from 2005 Donald Trump was apologizing for. He couldn’t say, other than that Trump was apologizing for what he said. He wouldn’t be specific. The reason I asked is that different people hear different things in [Donald Trump’s tape](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-rebuke-trump-after-access-hollywood-tape-released/). Here is a portion of what Trump said: “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait...And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the p---y. You can do anything.” Some people hear Donald Trump boasting about physically forcing himself on women and other people just hear dirty words. The latter is locker room talk. The former, which is what Trump actually said, is the description of something that can get you arrested. Donald Trump called this “locker room talk” in the debate. He benefits by framing his boasts about grabbing women by their private parts as the regrettable bawdy talk of male enclaves. It makes it less creepy. You could imagine that it even elevates it, given the place of honor professional athletes hold in our culture and the sense of achievement associated with belonging to a private club. The locker rooms that Donald Trump is in are not at the cut-rate gym with the broken treadmills, they are at his swish golf clubs. They are places of stature. Using the term “locker room talk” blurs the line between what is criminal and what is simply oafish. That’s not a line anyone should want blurred. It’s the line I was trying to draw as sharp as possible in my kitchen. Expectations shouldn’t be lowered, even if Donald Trump was just telling stories to impress the crowd around him and never grabbed as many women as he suggested. Lower the bar for what you can talk about, and you lower the bar for what is acceptable behavior. Men have enough trouble on their own. Some of us do talk about women like objects, which dehumanizes them. We don’t need people thinking we’re all having fun, casual exchanges about sexual assault to amuse ourselves. Those of us who are fathers of sons don’t want any son to think this is honorable behavior no matter where the talk about it takes place. We might even want to raise men who would not seek to elevate their social status by boasting of preying on women without consent, but who would call people out when they boast about forcing themselves on women. That’s the advice I gave my son. It might not be politically correct to speak up, but it would be the right thing to do. I also knew my daughter was listening too. I want her to expect that kind of behavior of men, not the other kind. What makes people -- including [athletes in locker rooms](http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/athletes-dispute-donald-trumps-characterization-of-locker-room-talk/)\-- recoil at Donald Trump’s predatory remarks is that somewhere they were taught how a man is supposed to behave. Or we might have a woman in our life who we could imagine being talked about this way. If we were not taught directly, we picked up the signals from our teachers, our churches or our public figures. A new signal is being sent. The transmission didn’t start eleven years ago in a bus on a soap opera lot, it started last Friday. In: - [Rudy Giuliani](https://www.cbsnews.com/tag/rudy-giuliani/) - [Donald Trump](https://www.cbsnews.com/tag/donald-trump/) [GOP lawmakers condemn Donald Trump's vulgar 2005 comments 03:03](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/gop-lawmakers-condemn-donald-trumps-vulgar-2005-comments/) #### GOP lawmakers condemn Donald Trump's vulgar 2005 comments (03:03)
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