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| Boilerpipe Text | Using
this
or Point#
24
of
this
,
sin
β‘
7
x
=
7
s
β
56
s
3
+
112
s
5
β
64
s
7
where
s
=
sin
β‘
x
If
sin
β‘
7
x
=
0
,
7
x
=
n
Ο
where
n
is any integer.
So,
x
=
n
Ο
7
where
n
=
0
,
1
,
2
,
3
,
4
,
5
,
6
So, the roots of
7
s
β
56
s
3
+
112
s
5
β
64
s
7
=
0
β
β
β
>
(
1
)
are
sin
β‘
n
Ο
7
where
n
=
0
,
1
,
2
,
β―
5
,
6
So, the roots of
64
s
6
β
112
s
4
+
56
s
2
β
7
=
0
β
β
β
>
(
2
)
are
sin
β‘
n
Ο
7
where
n
=
1
,
2
,
β―
5
,
6
So, the roots of
64
t
3
β
112
t
2
+
56
t
β
7
=
0
β
β
β
>
(
3
)
are
sin
2
β‘
n
Ο
7
where
n
=
1
,
2
,
4
or
3
,
5
,
6
as
sin
β‘
(
7
β
r
)
Ο
7
=
sin
β‘
(
Ο
β
r
Ο
7
)
=
sin
β‘
r
Ο
7
If we choose
n
=
1
,
2
,
4
observe that
sin
2
β‘
4
Ο
7
β
sin
2
β‘
2
Ο
7
=
2
sin
β‘
Ο
7
cos
β‘
3
Ο
7
>
0
(Using
sin
2
β‘
A
β
sin
2
β‘
B
=
sin
β‘
(
A
+
B
)
sin
β‘
(
A
β
B
)
)
Similarly,
sin
2
β‘
2
Ο
7
β
sin
2
β‘
Ο
7
>
0
So,
sin
2
β‘
4
Ο
7
>
sin
2
β‘
2
Ο
7
>
sin
2
β‘
Ο
7
Using
Cardano's method
, we can solve the Cubic equation
(
3
) |
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I just thought a way to find sin2Ο7 sin β‘ 2 Ο 7.
Considering the equation x7\=1 x 7 \= 1
β(xβ1)(x6\+x5\+x4\+x3\+x2\+x\+1)\=0 β ( x β 1 ) ( x 6 \+ x 5 \+ x 4 \+ x 3 \+ x 2 \+ x \+ 1 ) \= 0
β(xβ1)\[(x\+1x)3\+(x\+1x)2β2(x\+1x)β1\]\=0 β ( x β 1 ) \[ ( x \+ 1 x ) 3 \+ ( x \+ 1 x ) 2 β 2 ( x \+ 1 x ) β 1 \] \= 0
We can then get the 7 solutions of x, but the steps will be very complicated, especially when solving cubic equation, and expressing x as a+bi. The imaginary part of the second root of x will be sin2Ο7 sin β‘ 2 Ο 7.
Besides this troublesome way, are any other approach? Thank you.
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It is an approach that works very nicely with
5
5
. With
7
7
, not so good, though it is a good way to prove that the regular
7
7
\-gon is not Euclidean constructible. I think that if you use the Cardano formula, you end up needing a cube root of a complex number, and that cube root cannot be found without knowing the required sine or a close relative.
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- needs to be -1 at the end in the square brackets. Edited.
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- The other bad news is that your cubic
u3\+u2β2uβ1
u
3
\+
u
2
β
2
u
β
1
has three irrational real roots, which means there is no pretty way to separate the real and imaginary parts in Cardano's formula, [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus\_irreducibilis](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_irreducibilis)
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\+1: Might I recommend that you study algebraic number theory some time in the future. This type of calculations show up inside cyclotomic fields.
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Just for laughs, we can at least in principle compute cos(Ο/7) cos β‘ ( Ο / 7 ) by observing that
sin3Ο7\=sin4Ο7
sin
β‘
3
Ο
7
\=
sin
β‘
4
Ο
7
Using a combination of double-angle forumlae, we end up with a cubic equation for cos(Ο/7) cos β‘ ( Ο / 7 ):
8cos3Ο7β4cos2Ο7β4cosΟ7\+1\=0
8
cos
3
β‘
Ο
7
β
4
cos
2
β‘
Ο
7
β
4
cos
β‘
Ο
7
\+
1
\=
0
This equation has one real solution which is cos(Ο/7) cos β‘ ( Ο / 7 ). The bad news is that the expression is unwieldy at best:
cosΟ7\=16βββ1\+72/312(β1\+3i3ββ)βββββββββββββ3\+72(β1\+3i3ββ)βββββββββββββ3ββ β
cos
β‘
Ο
7
\=
1
6
(
1
\+
7
2
/
3
1
2
(
β
1
\+
3
i
3
)
3
\+
7
2
(
β
1
\+
3
i
3
)
3
)
The imaginary part of this expression is of course zero. The real part, however, ends up being expressed in terms of a sine and cosine of another angle, and I think the point of an exercise like this is to not do that. Anyway, I hope this adds to the discussion above.
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Target=\> sin2Ο7 sin β‘ 2 Ο 7
set
1ββ7\=ΞΆk7
1
7
\=
ΞΆ
7
k
ΞΆk7\=e2kiΟ7
ΞΆ
7
k
\=
e
2
k
i
Ο
7
as seventh roots of unity so, the statements applies
ΞΆ17\+ΞΆ27\+ΞΆ37\+ΞΆ47\+ΞΆ57\+ΞΆ67\+1\=0
ΞΆ
7
1
\+
ΞΆ
7
2
\+
ΞΆ
7
3
\+
ΞΆ
7
4
\+
ΞΆ
7
5
\+
ΞΆ
7
6
\+
1
\=
0
ΞΆk7\=cos2kΟ7Β±isin2kΟ7
ΞΆ
7
k
\=
cos
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
Β±
i
sin
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
ΞΆβk7\=cos2kΟ7βisin2kΟ7
ΞΆ
7
β
k
\=
cos
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
β
i
sin
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
ΞΆk7\+ΞΆβk7\=2cos2kΟ7
ΞΆ
7
k
\+
ΞΆ
7
β
k
\=
2
cos
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
ΞΆk7βΞΆβk7\=Β±2isin2kΟ7
ΞΆ
7
k
β
ΞΆ
7
β
k
\=
Β±
2
i
sin
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
ΞΆ2k7β2\+ΞΆβ2k7\=β4sin22kΟ7
ΞΆ
7
2
k
β
2
\+
ΞΆ
7
β
2
k
\=
β
4
sin
2
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
2cos4kΟ7β2\=β4sin22kΟ7
2
cos
β‘
4
k
Ο
7
β
2
\=
β
4
sin
2
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
2cos4kΟ7β2ββββββββββββ\=Β±2isin2kΟ7
2
cos
β‘
4
k
Ο
7
β
2
\=
Β±
2
i
sin
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
the
ΞΆ17\+ΞΆ27\+ΞΆ37\+ΞΆ47\+ΞΆ57\+ΞΆ67\+1\=0
ΞΆ
7
1
\+
ΞΆ
7
2
\+
ΞΆ
7
3
\+
ΞΆ
7
4
\+
ΞΆ
7
5
\+
ΞΆ
7
6
\+
1
\=
0
gives us irreducible cubic polynomial
t3\+t2β2tβ1\=0
t
3
\+
t
2
β
2
t
β
1
\=
0
where
tk\=2cos2kΟ7
t
k
\=
2
cos
β‘
2
k
Ο
7
applying lagrange resolvent for cubic
β1\=t1\+t2\+t3
β
1
\=
t
1
\+
t
2
\+
t
3
r1\=t1\+ΞΆ13t2\+ΞΆ23t3
r
1
\=
t
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
1
t
2
\+
ΞΆ
3
2
t
3
r2\=t1\+ΞΆ23t2\+ΞΆ13t3
r
2
\=
t
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
2
t
2
\+
ΞΆ
3
1
t
3
where
ΞΆ23
ΞΆ
3
2
is the cuberoot of unity, Applying Discrete Fourier Transform inverse
3t1\=β1\+r1\+r2
3
t
1
\=
β
1
\+
r
1
\+
r
2
3t2\=β1\+ΞΆ23r1\+ΞΆ13r2
3
t
2
\=
β
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
2
r
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
1
r
2
3t3\=β1\+ΞΆ13r1\+ΞΆ23r2
3
t
3
\=
β
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
1
r
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
2
r
2
on the action of lagrange method, lagrange resolvent gives
r31\=7(3ΞΆ13β1)
r
1
3
\=
7
(
3
ΞΆ
3
1
β
1
)
r32\=7(3ΞΆ23β1)
r
2
3
\=
7
(
3
ΞΆ
3
2
β
1
)
now...
r1\=7(3ΞΆ13β1)ββββββββββ3
r
1
\=
7
(
3
ΞΆ
3
1
β
1
)
3
r2\=7(3ΞΆ23β1)ββββββββββ3
r
2
\=
7
(
3
ΞΆ
3
2
β
1
)
3
ΞΆ13\=β1\+β3ββββ2
ΞΆ
3
1
\=
β
1
\+
β
3
2
ΞΆ23\=β1ββ3ββββ2
ΞΆ
3
2
\=
β
1
β
β
3
2
r1\=72(1\+3β3ββββ)ββββββββββββ3
r
1
\=
7
2
(
1
\+
3
β
3
)
3
r1\=72(1β3β3ββββ)ββββββββββββ3
r
1
\=
7
2
(
1
β
3
β
3
)
3
3t1\=β1\+r1\+r2
3
t
1
\=
β
1
\+
r
1
\+
r
2
3t2\=β1\+ΞΆ23r1\+ΞΆ13r2
3
t
2
\=
β
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
2
r
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
1
r
2
3t3\=β1\+ΞΆ13r1\+ΞΆ23r2
3
t
3
\=
β
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
1
r
1
\+
ΞΆ
3
2
r
2
3t1\=β1\+72(1\+3β3ββββ)ββββββββββββ3\+72(1β3β3ββββ)ββββββββββββ3
3
t
1
\=
β
1
\+
7
2
(
1
\+
3
β
3
)
3
\+
7
2
(
1
β
3
β
3
)
3
3t2\=β1\+β1ββ3ββββ272(1\+3β3ββββ)ββββββββββββ3\+β1\+β3ββββ272(1β3β3ββββ)ββββββββββββ3
3
t
2
\=
β
1
\+
β
1
β
β
3
2
7
2
(
1
\+
3
β
3
)
3
\+
β
1
\+
β
3
2
7
2
(
1
β
3
β
3
)
3
3t3\=β1\+β1\+β3ββββ272(1\+3β3ββββ)ββββββββββββ3\+β1ββ3ββββ272(1β3β3ββββ)ββββββββββββ3
3
t
3
\=
β
1
\+
β
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Using [this](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/309271/two-trigonometric-identities-using-complex-variables/309301#309301) or Point\#24 24 of [this](http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Multiple-AngleFormulas.html) ,
sin7x\=7sβ56s3\+112s5β64s7 sin β‘ 7 x \= 7 s β 56 s 3 \+ 112 s 5 β 64 s 7 where s\=sinx s \= sin β‘ x
If sin7x\=0,7x\=nΟ sin β‘ 7 x \= 0 , 7 x \= n Ο where n n is any integer.
So, x\=nΟ7 x \= n Ο 7 where n\=0,1,2,3,4,5,6 n \= 0 , 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6
So, the roots of 7sβ56s3\+112s5β64s7\=0βββ\>(1) 7 s β 56 s 3 \+ 112 s 5 β 64 s 7 \= 0 β β β \> ( 1 ) are sinnΟ7 sin β‘ n Ο 7 where n\=0,1,2,β―5,6 n \= 0 , 1 , 2 , β― 5 , 6
So, the roots of 64s6β112s4\+56s2β7\=0βββ\>(2) 64 s 6 β 112 s 4 \+ 56 s 2 β 7 \= 0 β β β \> ( 2 ) are sinnΟ7 sin β‘ n Ο 7 where n\=1,2,β―5,6 n \= 1 , 2 , β― 5 , 6
So, the roots of 64t3β112t2\+56tβ7\=0βββ\>(3) 64 t 3 β 112 t 2 \+ 56 t β 7 \= 0 β β β \> ( 3 ) are sin2nΟ7 sin 2 β‘ n Ο 7 where n\=1,2,4 n \= 1 , 2 , 4 or 3,5,6 3 , 5 , 6 as sin(7βr)Ο7\=sin(ΟβrΟ7)\=sinrΟ7 sin β‘ ( 7 β r ) Ο 7 \= sin β‘ ( Ο β r Ο 7 ) \= sin β‘ r Ο 7
If we choose n\=1,2,4 n \= 1 , 2 , 4 observe that sin24Ο7βsin22Ο7\=2sinΟ7cos3Ο7\>0 sin 2 β‘ 4 Ο 7 β sin 2 β‘ 2 Ο 7 \= 2 sin β‘ Ο 7 cos β‘ 3 Ο 7 \> 0 (Using sin2Aβsin2B\=sin(A\+B)sin(AβB) sin 2 β‘ A β sin 2 β‘ B \= sin β‘ ( A \+ B ) sin β‘ ( A β B ))
Similarly, sin22Ο7βsin2Ο7\>0 sin 2 β‘ 2 Ο 7 β sin 2 β‘ Ο 7 \> 0
So, sin24Ο7\>sin22Ο7\>sin2Ο7 sin 2 β‘ 4 Ο 7 \> sin 2 β‘ 2 Ο 7 \> sin 2 β‘ Ο 7
Using [Cardano's method](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function#Cardano.27s_method), we can solve the Cubic equation (3) ( 3 )
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| Readable Markdown | Using [this](https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/309271/two-trigonometric-identities-using-complex-variables/309301#309301) or Point\#24 of [this](http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Multiple-AngleFormulas.html) ,
sin β‘ 7 x \= 7 s β 56 s 3 \+ 112 s 5 β 64 s 7 where s \= sin β‘ x
If sin β‘ 7 x \= 0 , 7 x \= n Ο where n is any integer.
So, x \= n Ο 7 where n \= 0 , 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6
So, the roots of 7 s β 56 s 3 \+ 112 s 5 β 64 s 7 \= 0 β β β \> ( 1 ) are sin β‘ n Ο 7 where n \= 0 , 1 , 2 , β― 5 , 6
So, the roots of 64 s 6 β 112 s 4 \+ 56 s 2 β 7 \= 0 β β β \> ( 2 ) are sin β‘ n Ο 7 where n \= 1 , 2 , β― 5 , 6
So, the roots of 64 t 3 β 112 t 2 \+ 56 t β 7 \= 0 β β β \> ( 3 ) are sin 2 β‘ n Ο 7 where n \= 1 , 2 , 4 or 3 , 5 , 6 as sin β‘ ( 7 β r ) Ο 7 \= sin β‘ ( Ο β r Ο 7 ) \= sin β‘ r Ο 7
If we choose n \= 1 , 2 , 4 observe that sin 2 β‘ 4 Ο 7 β sin 2 β‘ 2 Ο 7 \= 2 sin β‘ Ο 7 cos β‘ 3 Ο 7 \> 0 (Using sin 2 β‘ A β sin 2 β‘ B \= sin β‘ ( A \+ B ) sin β‘ ( A β B ))
Similarly, sin 2 β‘ 2 Ο 7 β sin 2 β‘ Ο 7 \> 0
So, sin 2 β‘ 4 Ο 7 \> sin 2 β‘ 2 Ο 7 \> sin 2 β‘ Ο 7
Using [Cardano's method](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function#Cardano.27s_method), we can solve the Cubic equation ( 3 ) |
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