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curl -X POST \
  'http://laksa102.int.ahrefs:8124/' \
  -H 'Content-Type: text/plain' \
  -H 'X-ClickHouse-Database: crawler3' \
  -H 'Authorization: Basic YXBpOg==' \
  -d 'SELECT getAhrefsURLFromUnparsed(src_unparsed) AS found_url, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(download_stamp), 0) AS crawl_time, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(props_url_first_seen), 0) AS first_indexed_time, download_http_code AS http_code, src_unparsed AS src_unparsed, src_root_hash AS src_root_hash, history_drop_reason AS history_drop_reason, meta_title AS meta_title, meta_descriptions AS meta_descriptions, attrs_boilerpipe_text AS attrs_boilerpipe_text, attrs_markdown AS attrs_markdown, attrs_readable_markdown AS attrs_readable_markdown, meta_canonical AS meta_canonical FROM crawler3.page_info_local FINAL PREWHERE (src_root_hash, src_unparsed) IN ((getAhrefsRootHashFromUnparsed(getAhrefsUnparsedNoserviceFromURL(\'https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/\')), getAhrefsUnparsedNoserviceFromURL(\'https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/\'))) FORMAT JSONEachRow'

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{"found_url":"https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/","crawl_time":1775018752,"first_indexed_time":1544595946,"http_code":200,"src_unparsed":"net,studentdoctor!forums,\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/ s443","src_root_hash":"3687054215599327302","history_drop_reason":null,"meta_title":"Oxford University vs. Harvard College | Student Doctor Network Forums","meta_descriptions":[".."],"attrs_boilerpipe_text":"#1\nAdvertisement -\nMembers\ndon't see this ad\n..\n#2\nI'm finishing up at Harvard, pm me if you have any questions. Oxford would be an amazing experience. IMHO, I think you should stay in the states. Also, I believe, most schools require completion of X number of credits in a US accredited college.\n#3\nkarmon,\nI think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford.  It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT.  Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route.  Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes.  Most European students take their \"pre-med\" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels.  It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different.\n🙁\nHowever, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford.  It's a great university.\nNote that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated.  So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others.\nIf you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it.  If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard.  ;-)\n#4\nmost schools require classes be taken in the US, except they'll review that on a case by case basis.  clearly they would waive that requirement for oxford.\n#5\ngo to harvard, study abroad at oxford\n😀\ncongrats btw!\nedit--better yet, win the rhodes and study post-grad at oxford\n😉\n😉\n#6\nIlianaSedai said:\nkarmon,\nI think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford.  It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT.  Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route.  Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes.  Most European students take their \"pre-med\" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels.  It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different.\n🙁\nHowever, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford.  It's a great university.\nNote that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated.  So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others.\nIf you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it.  If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard.  ;-)\nYeah, congrats to the OP. Just to echo this post, I'm sure you're aware that the British system is very different from the American one--and if you got in, I'm sure you can handle it. Keep in mind that ugrad there is only 3 years, so taking a year to do post-bac\/premed courses isn't going to hurt you in the time length category.\nPS: If you go to Oxford, you can study abroad at Harvard =P\n#7\nHarvard is a University correct? At least the one located in Cambridge, Ma.\n#8\nI may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship.\n#9\nGraC_undr_PrsR said:\nI may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship.\nooh congrats!\n😀\nthat is quite an honor to land!\n#10\nwow, i wish i had these kind of decisions to make when i was a HS senior. congratulations.\nAdvertisement -\nMembers\ndon't see this ad\n#11\noxford university? harvard college? is ur brain on steroids?\n#12\nNow I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford.  I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states.  Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities.\nBut this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong.\nI think in the case of a student of your caliber the primary concern should be what kind of system you prefer.  You will have no problem getting into a good MD program when the time comes, don't sweat about prereqs or any of that stuff.  Oxford is much more specialized and would expect you to enter with a more developed understanding of your chosen field, while Harvard would allow you to branch out and take more diverse courses.  Oxford and the whole tutor system would require more self-motivation and individual focus, Harvard would probably allow you more interaction with your professors.  How well do you know what you want to do?  If you still have no idea what you want your major to be, maybe Oxford would not be your best choice.  On the other hand, if you really like the idea of a lot of independently-guided work and a specific focus on the one field you really love, it would be a great option.\nCongratulations on such an enviable choice!\n#13\nCrazyCarl said:\nNow I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford.  I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states.  Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities.\nBut this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong.\nI think that's pretty true actually. Students are given a lot of independence--both in forming service organizations and in most other aspects of their lives.\nI'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation.\nPS: GraC_undr_PrsR, congrats on the Rhodes!\n#14\nNewquagmire said:\nI'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation.\nWeather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often.  I think Cambridge Mass is more \"extreme\" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England.\nHowever, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter.  So it can seem gloomy.\n#15\nIlianaSedai said:\nWeather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often.  I think Cambridge Mass is more \"extreme\" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England.\nHowever, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter.  So it can seem gloomy.\nIs it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche [and circadian clock] is going to get toyed with in England.\n#16\nNewquagmire said:\nIs it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche [and circadian clock] is going to get toyed with in England.\nAs a tribute to today's absolutely spanktabulous weather, I feel like I should mention the other side of the coin. The summers in England are amazing, albeit a little chilly for my taste. The sun rises ~4 AM and sets ~11 PM. No joke.\nThen again, that requires staying in this godforsaken country during your summers too.\nCould the OP be a troll post anyway??\n#17\nThanks NewQ and M for the congrats\n🙂\nKorman, in the end what really matters is what you are comfortable with. Even so, like I wrote in the previous post, I attended a small liberal arts college and had a wonderful experience (for the most part). I had visited the likes of Harvard and Yale and decided it was a little too competitive-spirited (does that make sense?) for my taste. It's completely a subjective experience. Lately I realized that maybe I would have had more opportunities at the Ivies, but thoughts like that are irrelevant three weeks before graduation!\nBest\n#18\nI'm too lazy to reread what everybody else wrote here, but I'll advice you to attend harvard if you're quite sure you'll return to the states for med school.  I know Oxford is a great school (i actually have a friend studying there), but the system over there is so different and you will have a much harder time applying back here in the States.  For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...also, you'll have less support over there for applying to med schools here (both formal support from counselors, and support from peers, since probably very few from Oxford will be applying to American medical schools, compared to the situation in Harvard).  And of course, the course selection...so, yeah, but the decision is ultimately yours...\n#19\nHarvard is one of the best schools.\nOxford is *THE* school.\nI guess you know my opinion.\n#20\nblueberry said:\nFor one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...\nThey also don't have GPAs here.\nAdvertisement -\nMembers\ndon't see this ad\n#21\nhey,\nHarvard College is the undergraduate school of Harvard University. Harvard University is made up of different schools and colleges hence the university part. I would definitely choose Harvard although my opinion is bias. 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Thank you.\n\n[K](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/karmon.38145\/)\n\n#### [karmon](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/karmon.38145\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nFeb 20, 2004\n\nMessages\n\n177\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\n- [Apr 24, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391459)\n\n- [\\#1](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391459)\n\nAdvertisement - [Members](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/login\/register) don't see this ad\n\n..\n\n[L](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/lp1cw.30512\/)\n\n#### [LP1CW](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/lp1cw.30512\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nAug 30, 2003\n\nMessages\n\n651\n\nReaction score\n\n1\n\nPoints\n\n4,531\n\nAge\n\n55\n\n- [Apr 24, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391520)\n\n- [\\#2](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391520)\n\nI'm finishing up at Harvard, pm me if you have any questions. Oxford would be an amazing experience. IMHO, I think you should stay in the states. Also, I believe, most schools require completion of X number of credits in a US accredited college.\n\n[I](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/ilianasedai.18886\/)\n\n#### [IlianaSedai](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/ilianasedai.18886\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nNov 9, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n325\n\nReaction score\n\n4\n\nPoints\n\n4,531\n\nWebsite\n\n[www.silklantern.com](http:\/\/www.silklantern.com\/)\n\n- [Apr 24, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391746)\n\n- [\\#3](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391746)\n\nkarmon,  \n   \n I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their \"pre-med\" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁   \n   \n However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university.  \n   \n Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others.  \n   \n If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-)\n\n[M](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/mr-rosewater.35246\/)\n\n#### [Mr. Rosewater](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/mr-rosewater.35246\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nDec 18, 2003\n\nMessages\n\n796\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\nLocation\n\n[erf](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/misc\/location-info?location=erf)\n\n- [Apr 24, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391760)\n\n- [\\#4](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391760)\n\nmost schools require classes be taken in the US, except they'll review that on a case by case basis. clearly they would waive that requirement for oxford.\n\n[M](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/mellantro.19891\/)\n\n#### [mellantro](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/mellantro.19891\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nDec 5, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n243\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\n- [Apr 24, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1392150)\n\n- [\\#5](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1392150)\n\ngo to harvard, study abroad at oxford 😀   \n   \n congrats btw\\!  \n   \n edit--better yet, win the rhodes and study post-grad at oxford 😉 😉\n\n[N](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n\n#### [Newquagmire](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n##### Full Member\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nOct 30, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n1,284\n\nReaction score\n\n12\n\nPoints\n\n4,641\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394432)\n\n- [\\#6](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394432)\n\n> IlianaSedai said:\n> \n> karmon,  \n>    \n>  I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their \"pre-med\" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁   \n>    \n>  However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university.  \n>    \n>  Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others.  \n>    \n>  If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-)\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nYeah, congrats to the OP. Just to echo this post, I'm sure you're aware that the British system is very different from the American one--and if you got in, I'm sure you can handle it. Keep in mind that ugrad there is only 3 years, so taking a year to do post-bac\/premed courses isn't going to hurt you in the time length category.  \n   \n PS: If you go to Oxford, you can study abroad at Harvard =P\n\n[F](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/fullefect1.22667\/)\n\n#### [fullefect1](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/fullefect1.22667\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nFeb 23, 2003\n\nMessages\n\n790\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\nAge\n\n40\n\nLocation\n\n[Mass](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/misc\/location-info?location=Mass)\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394544)\n\n- [\\#7](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394544)\n\nHarvard is a University correct? At least the one located in Cambridge, Ma.\n\n[G](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/grac_undr_prsr.28551\/)\n\n#### [GraC\\_undr\\_PrsR](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/grac_undr_prsr.28551\/)\n##### Member\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nJul 20, 2003\n\nMessages\n\n147\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\n1. Pre-Medical\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394556)\n\n- [\\#8](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394556)\n\nI may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ![:laugh:](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/smilies\/laughy.gif)\n\n[M](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/mellantro.19891\/)\n\n#### [mellantro](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/mellantro.19891\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nDec 5, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n243\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394613)\n\n- [\\#9](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394613)\n\n> GraC\\_undr\\_PrsR said:\n> \n> I may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ![:laugh:](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/smilies\/laughy.gif)\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nooh congrats! 😀 that is quite an honor to land\\!\n\n[I](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/indyzx.21557\/)\n\n#### [IndyZX](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/indyzx.21557\/)\n##### Full Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nJan 19, 2003\n\nMessages\n\n1,535\n\nReaction score\n\n3\n\nPoints\n\n4,551\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394651)\n\n- [\\#10](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394651)\n\nwow, i wish i had these kind of decisions to make when i was a HS senior. congratulations.\n\nAdvertisement - [Members](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/login\/register) don't see this ad\n\n[I](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/icedcube.41647\/)\n\n#### [IcedCube](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/icedcube.41647\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**10+ Year Member**\n\n**5+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nApr 18, 2004\n\nMessages\n\n121\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394671)\n\n- [\\#11](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394671)\n\noxford university? harvard college? is ur brain on steroids? ![:wow:](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/smilies\/wowie.gif)\n\n[C](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/crazycarl.27009\/)\n\n#### [CrazyCarl](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/crazycarl.27009\/)\n##### Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nJun 10, 2003\n\nMessages\n\n37\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394684)\n\n- [\\#12](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394684)\n\nNow I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities.  \n   \n But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong.  \n   \n I think in the case of a student of your caliber the primary concern should be what kind of system you prefer. You will have no problem getting into a good MD program when the time comes, don't sweat about prereqs or any of that stuff. Oxford is much more specialized and would expect you to enter with a more developed understanding of your chosen field, while Harvard would allow you to branch out and take more diverse courses. Oxford and the whole tutor system would require more self-motivation and individual focus, Harvard would probably allow you more interaction with your professors. How well do you know what you want to do? If you still have no idea what you want your major to be, maybe Oxford would not be your best choice. On the other hand, if you really like the idea of a lot of independently-guided work and a specific focus on the one field you really love, it would be a great option.  \n   \n Congratulations on such an enviable choice\\!\n\n[N](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n\n#### [Newquagmire](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n##### Full Member\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nOct 30, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n1,284\n\nReaction score\n\n12\n\nPoints\n\n4,641\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394806)\n\n- [\\#13](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394806)\n\n> CrazyCarl said:\n> \n> Now I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities.  \n>    \n>  But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nI think that's pretty true actually. Students are given a lot of independence--both in forming service organizations and in most other aspects of their lives.  \n   \n I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation.  \n   \n PS: GraC\\_undr\\_PrsR, congrats on the Rhodes\\!\n\n[I](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/ilianasedai.18886\/)\n\n#### [IlianaSedai](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/ilianasedai.18886\/)\n##### Senior Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nNov 9, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n325\n\nReaction score\n\n4\n\nPoints\n\n4,531\n\nWebsite\n\n[www.silklantern.com](http:\/\/www.silklantern.com\/)\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394915)\n\n- [\\#14](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394915)\n\n> Newquagmire said:\n> \n> I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nWeather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more \"extreme\" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England.  \n   \n However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy.\n\n[N](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n\n#### [Newquagmire](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n##### Full Member\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nOct 30, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n1,284\n\nReaction score\n\n12\n\nPoints\n\n4,641\n\n- [Apr 25, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394977)\n\n- [\\#15](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394977)\n\n> IlianaSedai said:\n> \n> Weather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more \"extreme\" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England.  \n>    \n>  However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nIs it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche \\[and circadian clock\\] is going to get toyed with in England.\n\n[N](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n\n#### [Newquagmire](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n##### Full Member\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nOct 30, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n1,284\n\nReaction score\n\n12\n\nPoints\n\n4,641\n\n- [Apr 26, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1396964)\n\n- [\\#16](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1396964)\n\n> Newquagmire said:\n> \n> Is it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche \\[and circadian clock\\] is going to get toyed with in England.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nAs a tribute to today's absolutely spanktabulous weather, I feel like I should mention the other side of the coin. The summers in England are amazing, albeit a little chilly for my taste. The sun rises ~4 AM and sets ~11 PM. No joke.  \n   \n Then again, that requires staying in this godforsaken country during your summers too. ![:laugh:](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/smilies\/laughy.gif)  \n   \n Could the OP be a troll post anyway??\n\n[G](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/grac_undr_prsr.28551\/)\n\n#### [GraC\\_undr\\_PrsR](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/grac_undr_prsr.28551\/)\n##### Member\n**15+ Year Member**\n\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nJul 20, 2003\n\nMessages\n\n147\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\n1. Pre-Medical\n\n- [Apr 26, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1398399)\n\n- [\\#17](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1398399)\n\nThanks NewQ and M for the congrats 🙂   \n   \n Korman, in the end what really matters is what you are comfortable with. Even so, like I wrote in the previous post, I attended a small liberal arts college and had a wonderful experience (for the most part). I had visited the likes of Harvard and Yale and decided it was a little too competitive-spirited (does that make sense?) for my taste. It's completely a subjective experience. Lately I realized that maybe I would have had more opportunities at the Ivies, but thoughts like that are irrelevant three weeks before graduation\\!  \n   \n Best\n\n[B](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/blueberry.37761\/)\n\n#### [blueberry](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/blueberry.37761\/)\n##### Member\n**7+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nFeb 13, 2004\n\nMessages\n\n44\n\nReaction score\n\n0\n\nPoints\n\n0\n\n- [Apr 27, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1398920)\n\n- [\\#18](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1398920)\n\nI'm too lazy to reread what everybody else wrote here, but I'll advice you to attend harvard if you're quite sure you'll return to the states for med school. I know Oxford is a great school (i actually have a friend studying there), but the system over there is so different and you will have a much harder time applying back here in the States. For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...also, you'll have less support over there for applying to med schools here (both formal support from counselors, and support from peers, since probably very few from Oxford will be applying to American medical schools, compared to the situation in Harvard). And of course, the course selection...so, yeah, but the decision is ultimately yours...\n\n[U](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/useurheadfred.41087\/)\n\n#### [UseUrHeadFred](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/useurheadfred.41087\/)\n##### Oh no! It's a Wumpus\\!\n**5+ Year Member**\n\n**15+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nApr 10, 2004\n\nMessages\n\n935\n\nReaction score\n\n2\n\nPoints\n\n4,551\n\nLocation\n\n[Columbia, MO](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/misc\/location-info?location=Columbia%2C+MO)\n\n- [Apr 27, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1399060)\n\n- [\\#19](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1399060)\n\nHarvard is one of the best schools.  \n   \n Oxford is \\*THE\\* school.  \n   \n I guess you know my opinion.\n\n[N](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n\n#### [Newquagmire](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/newquagmire.18482\/)\n##### Full Member\n**20+ Year Member**\n\nJoined\n\nOct 30, 2002\n\nMessages\n\n1,284\n\nReaction score\n\n12\n\nPoints\n\n4,641\n\n- [Apr 27, 2004](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1399182)\n\n- [\\#20](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1399182)\n\n> blueberry said:\n> \n> For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nThey also don't have GPAs here.\n\nAdvertisement - [Members](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/login\/register) don't see this ad\n\n[H](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/harvardpremed.41654\/)\n\n#### [harvardpremed](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/members\/harvardpremed.41654\/)\n##### Marshall L. 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[All resources are student and donor supported](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/account\/upgrades).\n\n[Top](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/#top) [Bottom](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/#footer)","attrs_readable_markdown":"- [\\#1](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391459)\n\nAdvertisement - [Members](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/login\/register) don't see this ad\n\n..\n\n- [\\#2](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391520)\n\nI'm finishing up at Harvard, pm me if you have any questions. Oxford would be an amazing experience. IMHO, I think you should stay in the states. Also, I believe, most schools require completion of X number of credits in a US accredited college.\n\n- [\\#3](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391746)\n\nkarmon,\n\nI think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their \"pre-med\" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁\n\nHowever, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university.\n\nNote that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others.\n\nIf you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-)\n\n- [\\#4](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1391760)\n\nmost schools require classes be taken in the US, except they'll review that on a case by case basis. clearly they would waive that requirement for oxford.\n\n- [\\#5](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1392150)\n\ngo to harvard, study abroad at oxford 😀\n\ncongrats btw\\!\n\nedit--better yet, win the rhodes and study post-grad at oxford 😉 😉\n\n- [\\#6](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394432)\n\n> IlianaSedai said:\n> \n> karmon,\n> \n> I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their \"pre-med\" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁\n> \n> However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university.\n> \n> Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others.\n> \n> If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-)\n\nYeah, congrats to the OP. Just to echo this post, I'm sure you're aware that the British system is very different from the American one--and if you got in, I'm sure you can handle it. Keep in mind that ugrad there is only 3 years, so taking a year to do post-bac\/premed courses isn't going to hurt you in the time length category.\n\nPS: If you go to Oxford, you can study abroad at Harvard =P\n\n- [\\#7](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394544)\n\nHarvard is a University correct? At least the one located in Cambridge, Ma.\n\n- [\\#8](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394556)\n\nI may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ![:laugh:](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/smilies\/laughy.gif)\n\n- [\\#9](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394613)\n\n> GraC\\_undr\\_PrsR said:\n> \n> I may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ![:laugh:](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/smilies\/laughy.gif)\n\nooh congrats! 😀 that is quite an honor to land\\!\n\n- [\\#10](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394651)\n\nwow, i wish i had these kind of decisions to make when i was a HS senior. congratulations.\n\nAdvertisement - [Members](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/login\/register) don't see this ad\n\n- [\\#11](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394671)\n\noxford university? harvard college? is ur brain on steroids? ![:wow:](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/smilies\/wowie.gif)\n\n- [\\#12](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394684)\n\nNow I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities.\n\nBut this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong.\n\nI think in the case of a student of your caliber the primary concern should be what kind of system you prefer. You will have no problem getting into a good MD program when the time comes, don't sweat about prereqs or any of that stuff. Oxford is much more specialized and would expect you to enter with a more developed understanding of your chosen field, while Harvard would allow you to branch out and take more diverse courses. Oxford and the whole tutor system would require more self-motivation and individual focus, Harvard would probably allow you more interaction with your professors. How well do you know what you want to do? If you still have no idea what you want your major to be, maybe Oxford would not be your best choice. On the other hand, if you really like the idea of a lot of independently-guided work and a specific focus on the one field you really love, it would be a great option.\n\nCongratulations on such an enviable choice\\!\n\n- [\\#13](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394806)\n\n> CrazyCarl said:\n> \n> Now I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities.\n> \n> But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong.\n\nI think that's pretty true actually. Students are given a lot of independence--both in forming service organizations and in most other aspects of their lives.\n\nI'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation.\n\nPS: GraC\\_undr\\_PrsR, congrats on the Rhodes\\!\n\n- [\\#14](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394915)\n\n> Newquagmire said:\n> \n> I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation.\n\nWeather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more \"extreme\" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England.\n\nHowever, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy.\n\n- [\\#15](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1394977)\n\n> IlianaSedai said:\n> \n> Weather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more \"extreme\" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England.\n> \n> However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy.\n\nIs it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche \\[and circadian clock\\] is going to get toyed with in England.\n\n- [\\#16](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1396964)\n\n> Newquagmire said:\n> \n> Is it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche \\[and circadian clock\\] is going to get toyed with in England.\n\nAs a tribute to today's absolutely spanktabulous weather, I feel like I should mention the other side of the coin. The summers in England are amazing, albeit a little chilly for my taste. The sun rises ~4 AM and sets ~11 PM. No joke.\n\nThen again, that requires staying in this godforsaken country during your summers too. ![:laugh:](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/smilies\/laughy.gif)\n\nCould the OP be a troll post anyway??\n\n- [\\#17](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1398399)\n\nThanks NewQ and M for the congrats 🙂\n\nKorman, in the end what really matters is what you are comfortable with. Even so, like I wrote in the previous post, I attended a small liberal arts college and had a wonderful experience (for the most part). I had visited the likes of Harvard and Yale and decided it was a little too competitive-spirited (does that make sense?) for my taste. It's completely a subjective experience. Lately I realized that maybe I would have had more opportunities at the Ivies, but thoughts like that are irrelevant three weeks before graduation\\!\n\nBest\n\n- [\\#18](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1398920)\n\nI'm too lazy to reread what everybody else wrote here, but I'll advice you to attend harvard if you're quite sure you'll return to the states for med school. I know Oxford is a great school (i actually have a friend studying there), but the system over there is so different and you will have a much harder time applying back here in the States. For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...also, you'll have less support over there for applying to med schools here (both formal support from counselors, and support from peers, since probably very few from Oxford will be applying to American medical schools, compared to the situation in Harvard). And of course, the course selection...so, yeah, but the decision is ultimately yours...\n\n- [\\#19](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1399060)\n\nHarvard is one of the best schools.\n\nOxford is \\*THE\\* school.\n\nI guess you know my opinion.\n\n- [\\#20](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1399182)\n\n> blueberry said:\n> \n> For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...\n\nThey also don't have GPAs here.\n\nAdvertisement - [Members](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/login\/register) don't see this ad\n\n- [\\#21](https:\/\/forums.studentdoctor.net\/threads\/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129\/post-1399253)\n\nhey,\n\nHarvard College is the undergraduate school of Harvard University. Harvard University is made up of different schools and colleges hence the university part. I would definitely choose Harvard although my opinion is bias. Veritas.","meta_canonical":null}

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Boilerpipe Text	#1 Advertisement - Members don't see this ad .. #2 I'm finishing up at Harvard, pm me if you have any questions. Oxford would be an amazing experience. IMHO, I think you should stay in the states. Also, I believe, most schools require completion of X number of credits in a US accredited college. #3 karmon, I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their "pre-med" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁 However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university. Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others. If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-) #4 most schools require classes be taken in the US, except they'll review that on a case by case basis. clearly they would waive that requirement for oxford. #5 go to harvard, study abroad at oxford 😀 congrats btw! edit--better yet, win the rhodes and study post-grad at oxford 😉 😉 #6 IlianaSedai said: karmon, I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their "pre-med" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁 However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university. Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others. If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-) Yeah, congrats to the OP. Just to echo this post, I'm sure you're aware that the British system is very different from the American one--and if you got in, I'm sure you can handle it. Keep in mind that ugrad there is only 3 years, so taking a year to do post-bac/premed courses isn't going to hurt you in the time length category. PS: If you go to Oxford, you can study abroad at Harvard =P #7 Harvard is a University correct? At least the one located in Cambridge, Ma. #8 I may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. #9 GraC_undr_PrsR said: I may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ooh congrats! 😀 that is quite an honor to land! #10 wow, i wish i had these kind of decisions to make when i was a HS senior. congratulations. Advertisement - Members don't see this ad #11 oxford university? harvard college? is ur brain on steroids? #12 Now I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities. But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong. I think in the case of a student of your caliber the primary concern should be what kind of system you prefer. You will have no problem getting into a good MD program when the time comes, don't sweat about prereqs or any of that stuff. Oxford is much more specialized and would expect you to enter with a more developed understanding of your chosen field, while Harvard would allow you to branch out and take more diverse courses. Oxford and the whole tutor system would require more self-motivation and individual focus, Harvard would probably allow you more interaction with your professors. How well do you know what you want to do? If you still have no idea what you want your major to be, maybe Oxford would not be your best choice. On the other hand, if you really like the idea of a lot of independently-guided work and a specific focus on the one field you really love, it would be a great option. Congratulations on such an enviable choice! #13 CrazyCarl said: Now I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities. But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong. I think that's pretty true actually. Students are given a lot of independence--both in forming service organizations and in most other aspects of their lives. I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation. PS: GraC_undr_PrsR, congrats on the Rhodes! #14 Newquagmire said: I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation. Weather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more "extreme" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England. However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy. #15 IlianaSedai said: Weather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more "extreme" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England. However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy. Is it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche [and circadian clock] is going to get toyed with in England. #16 Newquagmire said: Is it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche [and circadian clock] is going to get toyed with in England. As a tribute to today's absolutely spanktabulous weather, I feel like I should mention the other side of the coin. The summers in England are amazing, albeit a little chilly for my taste. The sun rises ~4 AM and sets ~11 PM. No joke. Then again, that requires staying in this godforsaken country during your summers too. Could the OP be a troll post anyway?? #17 Thanks NewQ and M for the congrats 🙂 Korman, in the end what really matters is what you are comfortable with. Even so, like I wrote in the previous post, I attended a small liberal arts college and had a wonderful experience (for the most part). I had visited the likes of Harvard and Yale and decided it was a little too competitive-spirited (does that make sense?) for my taste. It's completely a subjective experience. Lately I realized that maybe I would have had more opportunities at the Ivies, but thoughts like that are irrelevant three weeks before graduation! Best #18 I'm too lazy to reread what everybody else wrote here, but I'll advice you to attend harvard if you're quite sure you'll return to the states for med school. I know Oxford is a great school (i actually have a friend studying there), but the system over there is so different and you will have a much harder time applying back here in the States. For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...also, you'll have less support over there for applying to med schools here (both formal support from counselors, and support from peers, since probably very few from Oxford will be applying to American medical schools, compared to the situation in Harvard). And of course, the course selection...so, yeah, but the decision is ultimately yours... #19 Harvard is one of the best schools. Oxford is THE school. I guess you know my opinion. #20 blueberry said: For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected... They also don't have GPAs here. Advertisement - Members don't see this ad #21 hey, Harvard College is the undergraduate school of Harvard University. Harvard University is made up of different schools and colleges hence the university part. I would definitely choose Harvard although my opinion is bias. Veritas.
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You should upgrade or use an [alternative browser](https://www.google.com/chrome/). # Oxford University vs. Harvard College - Thread starter [karmon](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/karmon.38145/) - Start date [Apr 24, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/) [![](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/data/siropu/am/user/1673ccd0a0bc94.jpg)](https://www.msom.org/) This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, [donors](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/account/upgrades/1?filter=all), and [sponsors](https://www.studentdoctor.net/about-the-ads/). Thank you. [K](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/karmon.38145/) #### [karmon](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/karmon.38145/) ##### Senior Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member Joined Feb 20, 2004 Messages 177 Reaction score 0 Points 0 - [Apr 24, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391459) - [\#1](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391459) Advertisement - [Members](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/login/register) don't see this ad .. [L](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/lp1cw.30512/) #### [LP1CW](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/lp1cw.30512/) ##### Senior Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Aug 30, 2003 Messages 651 Reaction score 1 Points 4,531 Age 55 - [Apr 24, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391520) - [\#2](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391520) I'm finishing up at Harvard, pm me if you have any questions. Oxford would be an amazing experience. IMHO, I think you should stay in the states. Also, I believe, most schools require completion of X number of credits in a US accredited college. [I](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/ilianasedai.18886/) #### [IlianaSedai](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/ilianasedai.18886/) ##### Senior Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Nov 9, 2002 Messages 325 Reaction score 4 Points 4,531 Website [www.silklantern.com](http://www.silklantern.com/) - [Apr 24, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391746) - [\#3](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391746) karmon, I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their "pre-med" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁 However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university. Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others. If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-) [M](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/mr-rosewater.35246/) #### [Mr. Rosewater](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/mr-rosewater.35246/) ##### Senior Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member Joined Dec 18, 2003 Messages 796 Reaction score 0 Points 0 Location [erf](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/misc/location-info?location=erf) - [Apr 24, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391760) - [\#4](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391760) most schools require classes be taken in the US, except they'll review that on a case by case basis. clearly they would waive that requirement for oxford. [M](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/mellantro.19891/) #### [mellantro](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/mellantro.19891/) ##### Senior Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Dec 5, 2002 Messages 243 Reaction score 0 Points 0 - [Apr 24, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1392150) - [\#5](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1392150) go to harvard, study abroad at oxford 😀 congrats btw\! edit--better yet, win the rhodes and study post-grad at oxford 😉 😉 [N](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) #### [Newquagmire](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) ##### Full Member 20+ Year Member Joined Oct 30, 2002 Messages 1,284 Reaction score 12 Points 4,641 - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394432) - [\#6](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394432) > IlianaSedai said: > > karmon, > > I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their "pre-med" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁 > > However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university. > > Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others. > > If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-) > > [Click to expand...]() Yeah, congrats to the OP. Just to echo this post, I'm sure you're aware that the British system is very different from the American one--and if you got in, I'm sure you can handle it. Keep in mind that ugrad there is only 3 years, so taking a year to do post-bac/premed courses isn't going to hurt you in the time length category. PS: If you go to Oxford, you can study abroad at Harvard =P [F](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/fullefect1.22667/) #### [fullefect1](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/fullefect1.22667/) ##### Senior Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Feb 23, 2003 Messages 790 Reaction score 0 Points 0 Age 40 Location [Mass](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/misc/location-info?location=Mass) - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394544) - [\#7](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394544) Harvard is a University correct? At least the one located in Cambridge, Ma. [G](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/grac_undr_prsr.28551/) #### [GraC\_undr\_PrsR](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/grac_undr_prsr.28551/) ##### Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Jul 20, 2003 Messages 147 Reaction score 0 Points 0 1. Pre-Medical - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394556) - [\#8](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394556) I may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ![:laugh:](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/smilies/laughy.gif) [M](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/mellantro.19891/) #### [mellantro](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/mellantro.19891/) ##### Senior Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Dec 5, 2002 Messages 243 Reaction score 0 Points 0 - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394613) - [\#9](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394613) > GraC\_undr\_PrsR said: > > I may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ![:laugh:](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/smilies/laughy.gif) > > [Click to expand...]() ooh congrats! 😀 that is quite an honor to land\! [I](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/indyzx.21557/) #### [IndyZX](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/indyzx.21557/) ##### Full Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Jan 19, 2003 Messages 1,535 Reaction score 3 Points 4,551 - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394651) - [\#10](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394651) wow, i wish i had these kind of decisions to make when i was a HS senior. congratulations. Advertisement - [Members](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/login/register) don't see this ad [I](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/icedcube.41647/) #### [IcedCube](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/icedcube.41647/) ##### Senior Member 10+ Year Member 5+ Year Member 15+ Year Member Joined Apr 18, 2004 Messages 121 Reaction score 0 Points 0 - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394671) - [\#11](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394671) oxford university? harvard college? is ur brain on steroids? ![:wow:](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/smilies/wowie.gif) [C](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/crazycarl.27009/) #### [CrazyCarl](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/crazycarl.27009/) ##### Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Jun 10, 2003 Messages 37 Reaction score 0 Points 0 - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394684) - [\#12](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394684) Now I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities. But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong. I think in the case of a student of your caliber the primary concern should be what kind of system you prefer. You will have no problem getting into a good MD program when the time comes, don't sweat about prereqs or any of that stuff. Oxford is much more specialized and would expect you to enter with a more developed understanding of your chosen field, while Harvard would allow you to branch out and take more diverse courses. Oxford and the whole tutor system would require more self-motivation and individual focus, Harvard would probably allow you more interaction with your professors. How well do you know what you want to do? If you still have no idea what you want your major to be, maybe Oxford would not be your best choice. On the other hand, if you really like the idea of a lot of independently-guided work and a specific focus on the one field you really love, it would be a great option. Congratulations on such an enviable choice\! [N](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) #### [Newquagmire](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) ##### Full Member 20+ Year Member Joined Oct 30, 2002 Messages 1,284 Reaction score 12 Points 4,641 - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394806) - [\#13](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394806) > CrazyCarl said: > > Now I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities. > > But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong. > > [Click to expand...]() I think that's pretty true actually. Students are given a lot of independence--both in forming service organizations and in most other aspects of their lives. I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation. PS: GraC\_undr\_PrsR, congrats on the Rhodes\! [I](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/ilianasedai.18886/) #### [IlianaSedai](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/ilianasedai.18886/) ##### Senior Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Nov 9, 2002 Messages 325 Reaction score 4 Points 4,531 Website [www.silklantern.com](http://www.silklantern.com/) - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394915) - [\#14](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394915) > Newquagmire said: > > I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation. > > [Click to expand...]() Weather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more "extreme" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England. However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy. [N](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) #### [Newquagmire](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) ##### Full Member 20+ Year Member Joined Oct 30, 2002 Messages 1,284 Reaction score 12 Points 4,641 - [Apr 25, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394977) - [\#15](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394977) > IlianaSedai said: > > Weather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more "extreme" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England. > > However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy. > > [Click to expand...]() Is it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche \[and circadian clock\] is going to get toyed with in England. [N](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) #### [Newquagmire](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) ##### Full Member 20+ Year Member Joined Oct 30, 2002 Messages 1,284 Reaction score 12 Points 4,641 - [Apr 26, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1396964) - [\#16](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1396964) > Newquagmire said: > > Is it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche \[and circadian clock\] is going to get toyed with in England. > > [Click to expand...]() As a tribute to today's absolutely spanktabulous weather, I feel like I should mention the other side of the coin. The summers in England are amazing, albeit a little chilly for my taste. The sun rises ~4 AM and sets ~11 PM. No joke. Then again, that requires staying in this godforsaken country during your summers too. ![:laugh:](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/smilies/laughy.gif) Could the OP be a troll post anyway?? [G](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/grac_undr_prsr.28551/) #### [GraC\_undr\_PrsR](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/grac_undr_prsr.28551/) ##### Member 15+ Year Member 20+ Year Member Joined Jul 20, 2003 Messages 147 Reaction score 0 Points 0 1. Pre-Medical - [Apr 26, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1398399) - [\#17](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1398399) Thanks NewQ and M for the congrats 🙂 Korman, in the end what really matters is what you are comfortable with. Even so, like I wrote in the previous post, I attended a small liberal arts college and had a wonderful experience (for the most part). I had visited the likes of Harvard and Yale and decided it was a little too competitive-spirited (does that make sense?) for my taste. It's completely a subjective experience. Lately I realized that maybe I would have had more opportunities at the Ivies, but thoughts like that are irrelevant three weeks before graduation\! Best [B](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/blueberry.37761/) #### [blueberry](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/blueberry.37761/) ##### Member 7+ Year Member 15+ Year Member Joined Feb 13, 2004 Messages 44 Reaction score 0 Points 0 - [Apr 27, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1398920) - [\#18](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1398920) I'm too lazy to reread what everybody else wrote here, but I'll advice you to attend harvard if you're quite sure you'll return to the states for med school. I know Oxford is a great school (i actually have a friend studying there), but the system over there is so different and you will have a much harder time applying back here in the States. For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...also, you'll have less support over there for applying to med schools here (both formal support from counselors, and support from peers, since probably very few from Oxford will be applying to American medical schools, compared to the situation in Harvard). And of course, the course selection...so, yeah, but the decision is ultimately yours... [U](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/useurheadfred.41087/) #### [UseUrHeadFred](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/useurheadfred.41087/) ##### Oh no! It's a Wumpus\! 5+ Year Member 15+ Year Member** Joined Apr 10, 2004 Messages 935 Reaction score 2 Points 4,551 Location [Columbia, MO](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/misc/location-info?location=Columbia%2C+MO) - [Apr 27, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399060) - [\#19](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399060) Harvard is one of the best schools. Oxford is \THE\ school. I guess you know my opinion. [N](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) #### [Newquagmire](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/newquagmire.18482/) ##### Full Member 20+ Year Member Joined Oct 30, 2002 Messages 1,284 Reaction score 12 Points 4,641 - [Apr 27, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399182) - [\#20](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399182) > blueberry said: > > For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected... > > [Click to expand...]() They also don't have GPAs here. Advertisement - [Members](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/login/register) don't see this ad [H](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/harvardpremed.41654/) #### [harvardpremed](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/members/harvardpremed.41654/) ##### Marshall L. Wilkinson 10+ Year Member 5+ Year Member 15+ Year Member Joined Apr 19, 2004 Messages 14 Reaction score 0 Points 0 Age 43 Location [Harvard University](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/misc/location-info?location=Harvard+University) - [Apr 27, 2004](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399253) - [\#21](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399253) hey, Harvard College is the undergraduate school of Harvard University. Harvard University is made up of different schools and colleges hence the university part. I would definitely choose Harvard although my opinion is bias. Veritas. 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Readable Markdown	- [\#1](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391459) Advertisement - [Members](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/login/register) don't see this ad .. - [\#2](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391520) I'm finishing up at Harvard, pm me if you have any questions. Oxford would be an amazing experience. IMHO, I think you should stay in the states. Also, I believe, most schools require completion of X number of credits in a US accredited college. - [\#3](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391746) karmon, I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their "pre-med" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁 However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university. Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others. If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-) - [\#4](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1391760) most schools require classes be taken in the US, except they'll review that on a case by case basis. clearly they would waive that requirement for oxford. - [\#5](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1392150) go to harvard, study abroad at oxford 😀 congrats btw\! edit--better yet, win the rhodes and study post-grad at oxford 😉 😉 - [\#6](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394432) > IlianaSedai said: > > karmon, > > I think your chances of getting into an American medical school are probably equally good whether you attend Harvard or whether you go to Oxford. It is possible to go to Oxford and then apply to med school in the US, if you plan carefully and give yourself enough time to fulfill the pre-medical requirements and take the MCAT. Definitely explore how you might be able to do this through the Oxford route. Oxford may not offer your pre-med classes. Most European students take their "pre-med" organic chem, physics, etc type requirements as A-levels. It might turn out to actually be easier to do a 1-year postbac course in the US OR stay on to a 1-year masters in science (at Oxford? hey, why not?) than to try to take the pre-med courses at Oxford, especially since the grading systems are very different. 🙁 > > However, that's no reason to turn down Oxford if you want to go there -- your medical school interviewers will take your word for it if you just told them you made these choices in order to make it possible for you to attend Oxford. It's a great university. > > Note that whatever course you are on at Oxford might not allow you as much time to fulfill standard American pre-med requirements as Harvard would... but also note that MANY med school applicants enter med school a year after they graduated. So you wouldn't really be at any significant disadvantage compared to others. > > If you are looking to enter an American med school, you can still do Oxford -- albeit with a bit of sacrifice and extra legwork -- but I would think the extra work to be well worth it. If you did even a general studies course at Oxford, no medical school interviewer is going to complain that you didn't go to Harvard. ;-) Yeah, congrats to the OP. Just to echo this post, I'm sure you're aware that the British system is very different from the American one--and if you got in, I'm sure you can handle it. Keep in mind that ugrad there is only 3 years, so taking a year to do post-bac/premed courses isn't going to hurt you in the time length category. PS: If you go to Oxford, you can study abroad at Harvard =P - [\#7](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394544) Harvard is a University correct? At least the one located in Cambridge, Ma. - [\#8](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394556) I may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ![:laugh:](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/smilies/laughy.gif) - [\#9](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394613) > GraC\_undr\_PrsR said: > > I may be a bit biased here, but -- go to Oxford! I'm going to be studying there for post-graduate and I visited in March -- amazing place. I think it'd be a life-changing experience. Then again, I went to a small liberal arts college and then decided to go to oxford -- on the aforementioned elite scholarship. ![:laugh:](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/smilies/laughy.gif) ooh congrats! 😀 that is quite an honor to land\! - [\#10](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394651) wow, i wish i had these kind of decisions to make when i was a HS senior. congratulations. Advertisement - [Members](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/login/register) don't see this ad - [\#11](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394671) oxford university? harvard college? is ur brain on steroids? ![:wow:](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/smilies/wowie.gif) - [\#12](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394684) Now I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities. But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong. I think in the case of a student of your caliber the primary concern should be what kind of system you prefer. You will have no problem getting into a good MD program when the time comes, don't sweat about prereqs or any of that stuff. Oxford is much more specialized and would expect you to enter with a more developed understanding of your chosen field, while Harvard would allow you to branch out and take more diverse courses. Oxford and the whole tutor system would require more self-motivation and individual focus, Harvard would probably allow you more interaction with your professors. How well do you know what you want to do? If you still have no idea what you want your major to be, maybe Oxford would not be your best choice. On the other hand, if you really like the idea of a lot of independently-guided work and a specific focus on the one field you really love, it would be a great option. Congratulations on such an enviable choice\! - [\#13](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394806) > CrazyCarl said: > > Now I don't have any direct experience with UK universities, but I think you may have to work harder to get service experience at Oxford. I've heard that student service organizations are nowhere near as well established in UK universities as they are in the states. Harvard in particular would probably provide many more opportunities. > > But this is all hearsay...maybe I heard wrong. I think that's pretty true actually. Students are given a lot of independence--both in forming service organizations and in most other aspects of their lives. I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation. PS: GraC\_undr\_PrsR, congrats on the Rhodes\! - [\#14](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394915) > Newquagmire said: > > I'm unfamiliar with the winters in the NE, but I can tell you for a fact that the winters in England are HORRIBLE and will make you want to go into hibernation. Weather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more "extreme" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England. However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy. - [\#15](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1394977) > IlianaSedai said: > > Weather-wise, they're about the same, except that Massachusetts weather can freeze more deeply and snow more heavily and more often. I think Cambridge Mass is more "extreme" than Oxford in terms of temperature, and New England definitely gets more snow than the original England. > > However, most of England is much further north, which means that daylight hours are very short in the winter. So it can seem gloomy. Is it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche \[and circadian clock\] is going to get toyed with in England. - [\#16](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1396964) > Newquagmire said: > > Is it overcast 95% of the winter in the NE too? 'Winter' being November through February, inclusive. Unless you're used to it being pitch black at 3:30 PM, your psyche \[and circadian clock\] is going to get toyed with in England. As a tribute to today's absolutely spanktabulous weather, I feel like I should mention the other side of the coin. The summers in England are amazing, albeit a little chilly for my taste. The sun rises ~4 AM and sets ~11 PM. No joke. Then again, that requires staying in this godforsaken country during your summers too. ![:laugh:](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/smilies/laughy.gif) Could the OP be a troll post anyway?? - [\#17](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1398399) Thanks NewQ and M for the congrats 🙂 Korman, in the end what really matters is what you are comfortable with. Even so, like I wrote in the previous post, I attended a small liberal arts college and had a wonderful experience (for the most part). I had visited the likes of Harvard and Yale and decided it was a little too competitive-spirited (does that make sense?) for my taste. It's completely a subjective experience. Lately I realized that maybe I would have had more opportunities at the Ivies, but thoughts like that are irrelevant three weeks before graduation\! Best - [\#18](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1398920) I'm too lazy to reread what everybody else wrote here, but I'll advice you to attend harvard if you're quite sure you'll return to the states for med school. I know Oxford is a great school (i actually have a friend studying there), but the system over there is so different and you will have a much harder time applying back here in the States. For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected...also, you'll have less support over there for applying to med schools here (both formal support from counselors, and support from peers, since probably very few from Oxford will be applying to American medical schools, compared to the situation in Harvard). And of course, the course selection...so, yeah, but the decision is ultimately yours... - [\#19](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399060) Harvard is one of the best schools. Oxford is \THE\ school. I guess you know my opinion. - [\#20](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399182) > blueberry said: > > For one, they don't have grade inflation there so your GPA will be affected... They also don't have GPAs here. Advertisement - [Members](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/login/register) don't see this ad - [\#21](https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/oxford-university-vs-harvard-college.118129/post-1399253) hey, Harvard College is the undergraduate school of Harvard University. Harvard University is made up of different schools and colleges hence the university part. I would definitely choose Harvard although my opinion is bias. Veritas.
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