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{"found_url":"https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/","crawl_time":1770749769,"first_indexed_time":1543492034,"http_code":200,"src_unparsed":"com,macrumors!forums,\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/ s443","src_root_hash":"15193819890554447020","history_drop_reason":null,"meta_title":"GoPro Alternatives \/ SJCAM On-Going Review | MacRumors Forums","meta_descriptions":["I have been wanting a GoPro to play around with. However, I don't really want to spend several hundred dollars on one. I have seen quite a few on Amazon..."],"attrs_boilerpipe_text":"#1\nI have been wanting a GoPro to play around with.  However, I don't really want to spend several hundred dollars on one.  I have seen quite a few on Amazon for $75 and under.  Does anyone have any experience with these?\nThanks!\n#2\nThe knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month.\n#3\nThe knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month.\nI should have added to the first post that I don't expect the knock offs to be the same quality as the GoPro.  I am really looking to see if I will use it before putting a bunch of money in to it.\n🙂\n#4\nI have seen these knock offs on Amazon as well. Quite frankly, they don't interest me really. Alternatively, you could rent a GoPro from a place like lensrentals.com to try out for a weekend. More of like a try before you buy. Especially if you're hesitant like I am to drop $200+ on a GoPro.\n#5\nWell, the so called \"knock-off's\" especially the SJCAM branded ones, are supposed to be pretty good.  Well, good enough to make a pretty large dent in GoPro's share price anyway.  Dependant upon exactly what your usage will be, you'll probably be fine with a SJCAM.\nHere's a quote from an online comparison review (note: the comparison here is specifically the GoPro Hero - the budget version, vs the SJCAM 4000 - so the closest price equivalence).  If you want to spend a lot more, then clearly the GoPro Hero 4 is the king.\n\"The SJCAM SJ 4000, in respect to the GoPro Hero, is a far superior camera at a price far below the cost of the GoPro Hero. For around $70 you can get full HD 1080p videos, 12 mega pixel still photos, a 170 degree lens, a built in 1.5 inch LCD screen to playback your videos, several mounts, and many other features not included in in the $120.00 Go Pro Hero. In terms of quality the SJCAM SJ 4000 is comparable to GoPros last camera series the GoPro Hero 3 and GoPro Hero 3 silver. Considering the SJCAM SJ 4000 is one fourth the cost of the GoPro Hero 3, it’s safe to say when it comes to value the SJCAM SJ 4000 is your best bet.\"\nLast edited:\nJan 15, 2016\n#6\nWhat do you guys think about the Xiomi Yi in that $75-$80 price range?\n#7\nEnded up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under $90.  Should be here by next Thursday\n🙂\n#8\nEnded up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under $90.  Should be here by next Thursday\n🙂\nThink you will be disappointed. the quality will show.\n#9\nI suspect that many people who buy Go Pro clones aren't abusing them as harshly as GoPro intends.Freed of that constraint, it should be  fairly easy for the manufacturer to put in better optics, and sensors for a lower price.\nLast edited:\nJan 16, 2016\n#10\nI should have mentioned that I am not really looking for the highest possible image quality.  Looking for something to take out and have fun with when we go to the ranch.\n🙂\nI have been wanting a GoPro for a long time.  However, I have tendency to buy cool stuff and then never really use it.  This is a low cost way to see if I will get some use out of it.  If I do, I may upgrade in the future.\n#11\nAnother way to go is not a \"knock off,\" but a competitor. I got a very nice Ricoh for under $100; I think it's been discontinued (or maybe just ignored). GoPro's competitors have struggled a bit, and sometimes they have cameras that had maybe even better optics, but just lacked a feature like higher framerates or whatnot. Outfits like Sony, Contour,  Garmin, etc. Amazon's full of 'em.\nAnd now that 360 degree is the Thing, maybe more discounts, since GoPro hasn't caught up lately.\nJust make sure it outputs something you can edit easily on a Mac.\n#13\nJust got the camera. I only used it for a few minutes so far, I will play around with it more after I put my son to bed.\nSo far, the build and accessory quality is better than I thought it would be. The image quality is about what I expected. It is likely not 1080p but it will do. This camera is to see if I will even use something like this without investing in a GoPro. If I do use it a lot I will upgrade.\n🙂\n#14\nI never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent.\nI contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week.\n#15\nI never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent.\nI contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week.\nIf I were to get the GoPro I would want the top of the line, that is a bit out of my budget for right now. This one will do.\n🙂\n#16\nI'm watching this thread, post your results every 1-2 weeks.\nI'd like one for snow skiing, MTB riding, and go karts with my 2 boys.\nCapture action\/etc\n.\n#17\nI got the camera last night so my only time to play with it up until now has been in my apartment.  The lighting in there is so poor even my nicer cameras have a hard time making things look good.  I just went outside at my office and played with the camera.  Overall, I am impressed with it (for the cost).  I know it is not GoPro quality, but it will do for my uses for now.  It does distort still photos due to the fisheye lens, but I really didn't but it for stills.  I uploaded a few sample videos to YouTube, I will post them below as well.\nThese were post from my iPhone via the SJCAM and YouTube apps.  Not sure how that affects the upload quality.  They do look slightly better on my phone.  I should also note that these were all taken with the camera inside the waterproof housing (which covers the lens).\n1.  Low (horrible) light at home.\n2.  Indoor light inside my office. (This one was filmed using the remote SJCAM app, a nice added feature)\n3.  Outdoor sunlight (the best quality in my opinion)\nAgain, these all look much better on my phone.  This weekend I am going to try to pull them off of the camera via USB and upload them from my MacBook and see if that has any affect on the YouTube quality.\nLast edited:\nJan 22, 2016\n#18\nI used iMovie to make a video out of several clips. These were filmed with the camera in the waterproof housing with and adhesive mount on my windshield. I think a better mount would help with the movement of the camera. I am looking in to a suction cup mount with a larger base.\n#19\nA few things I thought it would be important to mention:\n1.  I have never personally used a GoPro branded camera.  This thread is not meant to knock GoPro or state that the SJ4000 is better (or worse, or the same as a GoPro).  In fact, if money was no object I would have the top of the line GoPro and every accessory possible.\n🙂\n2.  The point of this thread is to simply share my experience with the SJ4000.  I am not a professional photographer, videographer, or editor.  I am just a guy who likes cool toys, but has a wife, two dogs, and as of April two kids (so I am on a budget).\n🙂\n[doublepost=1453688937][\/doublepost]I figured I would go over the SJCAM app for those who are interested.\nThe app is a great feature for this camera.  The app does act as a viewfinder for the camera.  That being said there is a slight (1-2 second) delay between the camera and the app.  This isn't a huge issue because the camera has a built in display on the back.\nThe app also works as a remote for the camera.  You are able to switch between still and video, start and stop recordings, and set the timer on the camera.\nMy favorite feature of the app is that it allows you to review the footage that has been filmed and copy it to your phone.\nThe app connects to your phone via the camera's wifi output.  This can be a little clunky (have to go in to the Settings on your phone and connect to the wifi network, then open the app) but it is what it is.  The app is not a necessity when using the camera, so it does not hinder the user experience in my opinion.\n#20\nSame here, budget rules apply to me.  Appreciate the updates.","attrs_markdown":"[![MacRumors Forums](https:\/\/images.macrumors.com\/images-new\/macrumors-simple-logo-light.svg)](https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/)\n\n[![MacRumors Forums](https:\/\/images.macrumors.com\/images-new\/macrumors-simple-logo-dark.svg)](https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/)\n\nGot a tip for us? [Let us know]()\n\n[a. 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However, I don't really want to spend several hundred dollars on one. I have seen quite a few on Amazon for \\$75 and under. Does anyone have any experience with these?  \n   \n Thanks\\!\n\n[![von franklin](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/965\/965175.jpg?1433133521)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/von-franklin.965175\/)\n\n#### [von franklin](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/von-franklin.965175\/)\n##### macrumors regular\n\nMay 31, 2015\n\n120\n\n38\n\n[Texas](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Texas)\n\n- [Jan 14, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468251)\n\n- [\\#2](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468251)\n\nThe knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month.\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n#### [TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n**Original poster**\n\nJun 27, 2010\n\n3,531\n\n741\n\n[Plano, TX](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX)\n\n- [Jan 14, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468253)\n\n- [\\#3](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468253)\n\n> [von franklin said:](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/goto\/post?id=22468251)\n> \n> The knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nI should have added to the first post that I don't expect the knock offs to be the same quality as the GoPro. I am really looking to see if I will use it before putting a bunch of money in to it. 🙂\n\n[![nburwell](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/184\/184080.jpg?1534860825)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/nburwell.184080\/)\n\n#### [nburwell](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/nburwell.184080\/)\n##### macrumors 603\n\nMay 6, 2008\n\n5,629\n\n2,514\n\n[DE](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=DE)\n\n- [Jan 14, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468257)\n\n- [\\#4](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468257)\n\nI have seen these knock offs on Amazon as well. Quite frankly, they don't interest me really. Alternatively, you could rent a GoPro from a place like lensrentals.com to try out for a weekend. More of like a try before you buy. Especially if you're hesitant like I am to drop \\$200+ on a GoPro.\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/posts\/22468257\/reactions)\n\n[A](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/attonine.67243\/)\n\n#### [Attonine](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/attonine.67243\/)\n##### macrumors 6502a\n\nFeb 15, 2006\n\n744\n\n58\n\n[Kent. UK](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Kent.++UK)\n\n- [Jan 15, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468874)\n\n- [\\#5](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468874)\n\nWell, the so called \"knock-off's\" especially the SJCAM branded ones, are supposed to be pretty good. Well, good enough to make a pretty large dent in GoPro's share price anyway. Dependant upon exactly what your usage will be, you'll probably be fine with a SJCAM.  \n   \n   \n Here's a quote from an online comparison review (note: the comparison here is specifically the GoPro Hero - the budget version, vs the SJCAM 4000 - so the closest price equivalence). If you want to spend a lot more, then clearly the GoPro Hero 4 is the king.  \n   \n   \n \"The SJCAM SJ 4000, in respect to the GoPro Hero, is a far superior camera at a price far below the cost of the GoPro Hero. For around \\$70 you can get full HD 1080p videos, 12 mega pixel still photos, a 170 degree lens, a built in 1.5 inch LCD screen to playback your videos, several mounts, and many other features not included in in the \\$120.00 Go Pro Hero. In terms of quality the SJCAM SJ 4000 is comparable to GoPros last camera series the GoPro Hero 3 and GoPro Hero 3 silver. Considering the SJCAM SJ 4000 is one fourth the cost of the GoPro Hero 3, it’s safe to say when it comes to value the SJCAM SJ 4000 is your best bet.\"\n\nLast edited:\n\nJan 15, 2016\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/posts\/22468874\/reactions)\n\n[![pmxperience](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/606\/606871.jpg?1433713232)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/pmxperience.606871\/)\n\n#### [pmxperience](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/pmxperience.606871\/)\n##### macrumors regular\n\nAug 12, 2011\n\n241\n\n456\n\n[United States](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=United+States)\n\n- [Jan 15, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22469073)\n\n- [\\#6](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22469073)\n\nWhat do you guys think about the Xiomi Yi in that \\$75-\\$80 price range?\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n#### [TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n**Original poster**\n\nJun 27, 2010\n\n3,531\n\n741\n\n[Plano, TX](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX)\n\n- [Jan 15, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22470532)\n\n- [\\#7](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22470532)\n\nEnded up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under \\$90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[mtbdudex](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/posts\/22470532\/reactions)\n\n[![von franklin](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/965\/965175.jpg?1433133521)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/von-franklin.965175\/)\n\n#### [von franklin](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/von-franklin.965175\/)\n##### macrumors regular\n\nMay 31, 2015\n\n120\n\n38\n\n[Texas](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Texas)\n\n- [Jan 15, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22471956)\n\n- [\\#8](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22471956)\n\n> [TWO2SEVEN said:](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/goto\/post?id=22470532)\n> \n> Ended up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under \\$90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nThink you will be disappointed. the quality will show.\n\n[J](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/jerwin.969772\/)\n\n#### [jerwin](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/jerwin.969772\/)\n##### Suspended\n\nJun 13, 2015\n\n2,895\n\n4,652\n\n- [Jan 16, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22472122)\n\n- [\\#9](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22472122)\n\nI suspect that many people who buy Go Pro clones aren't abusing them as harshly as GoPro intends.Freed of that constraint, it should be fairly easy for the manufacturer to put in better optics, and sensors for a lower price.\n\nLast edited:\n\nJan 16, 2016\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n#### [TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n**Original poster**\n\nJun 27, 2010\n\n3,531\n\n741\n\n[Plano, TX](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX)\n\n- [Jan 16, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22472715)\n\n- [\\#10](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22472715)\n\nI should have mentioned that I am not really looking for the highest possible image quality. Looking for something to take out and have fun with when we go to the ranch. 🙂  \n   \n I have been wanting a GoPro for a long time. However, I have tendency to buy cool stuff and then never really use it. This is a low cost way to see if I will get some use out of it. If I do, I may upgrade in the future.\n\n[R](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/robgendreau.204559\/)\n\n#### [robgendreau](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/robgendreau.204559\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n\nJul 13, 2008\n\n3,472\n\n340\n\n- [Jan 17, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22476068)\n\n- [\\#11](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22476068)\n\nAnother way to go is not a \"knock off,\" but a competitor. I got a very nice Ricoh for under \\$100; I think it's been discontinued (or maybe just ignored). GoPro's competitors have struggled a bit, and sometimes they have cameras that had maybe even better optics, but just lacked a feature like higher framerates or whatnot. Outfits like Sony, Contour, Garmin, etc. Amazon's full of 'em.  \n   \n And now that 360 degree is the Thing, maybe more discounts, since GoPro hasn't caught up lately.  \n   \n Just make sure it outputs something you can edit easily on a Mac.\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[WigWag Workshop](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/posts\/22476068\/reactions)\n\n[B](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/beavo451.75968\/)\n\n#### [beavo451](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/beavo451.75968\/)\n##### macrumors 6502\n\nJun 22, 2006\n\n483\n\n2\n\n- [Jan 18, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22479958)\n\n- [\\#12](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22479958)\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n#### [TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n**Original poster**\n\nJun 27, 2010\n\n3,531\n\n741\n\n[Plano, TX](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX)\n\n- [Jan 21, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491414)\n\n- [\\#13](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491414)\n\nJust got the camera. I only used it for a few minutes so far, I will play around with it more after I put my son to bed.   \n   \n So far, the build and accessory quality is better than I thought it would be. The image quality is about what I expected. It is likely not 1080p but it will do. This camera is to see if I will even use something like this without investing in a GoPro. If I do use it a lot I will upgrade. 🙂\n\n[![richwoodrocket](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/885\/885310.jpg?1433815601)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/richwoodrocket.885310\/)\n\n#### [richwoodrocket](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/richwoodrocket.885310\/)\n##### macrumors 68020\n\nApr 7, 2014\n\n2,133\n\n112\n\n[Buffalo, NY](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Buffalo%2C+NY)\n\n- [Jan 21, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491433)\n\n- [\\#14](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491433)\n\nI never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent.   \n I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week.\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n#### [TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n**Original poster**\n\nJun 27, 2010\n\n3,531\n\n741\n\n[Plano, TX](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX)\n\n- [Jan 21, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491476)\n\n- [\\#15](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491476)\n\n> [richwoodrocket said:](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/goto\/post?id=22491433)\n> \n> I never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent.   \n>  I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nIf I were to get the GoPro I would want the top of the line, that is a bit out of my budget for right now. This one will do. 🙂\n\n[![mtbdudex](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/122\/122952.jpg?1761992441)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/mtbdudex.122952\/)\n\n#### [mtbdudex](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/mtbdudex.122952\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n\nAug 28, 2007\n\n3,414\n\n8,478\n\n[SE Michigan](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=SE+Michigan)\n\n- [Jan 22, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22493630)\n\n- [\\#16](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22493630)\n\nI'm watching this thread, post your results every 1-2 weeks.  \n I'd like one for snow skiing, MTB riding, and go karts with my 2 boys.  \n Capture action\/etc\n\n![2015\\_11\\_30\\_00\\_50\\_03.jpg](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-pREi6SLUQEY%2FVlvji5WtCkI%2FAAAAAAAAXXA%2F79fMABVCp50%2Fs400-Ic42%2F2015_11_30_00_50_03.jpg&hash=ef3fe0e44709bf8a1d1f31ac8e2a4bf5)\n\n.\n\n![WaldenwoodBike.jpg](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-cQJOtLeMLAM%2FVQXfUG6MxKI%2FAAAAAAAAVqU%2Fyo1IgwxdGR4%2Fs400-Ic42%2FWaldenwoodBike.jpg&hash=a475cb13e75cdc90ac54e353ab7ef3ac)\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n#### [TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n**Original poster**\n\nJun 27, 2010\n\n3,531\n\n741\n\n[Plano, TX](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX)\n\n- [Jan 22, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22493838)\n\n- [\\#17](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22493838)\n\nI got the camera last night so my only time to play with it up until now has been in my apartment. The lighting in there is so poor even my nicer cameras have a hard time making things look good. I just went outside at my office and played with the camera. Overall, I am impressed with it (for the cost). I know it is not GoPro quality, but it will do for my uses for now. It does distort still photos due to the fisheye lens, but I really didn't but it for stills. I uploaded a few sample videos to YouTube, I will post them below as well.   \n   \n These were post from my iPhone via the SJCAM and YouTube apps. Not sure how that affects the upload quality. They do look slightly better on my phone. I should also note that these were all taken with the camera inside the waterproof housing (which covers the lens).  \n   \n 1. Low (horrible) light at home.\n\n2\\. Indoor light inside my office. (This one was filmed using the remote SJCAM app, a nice added feature)\n\n3\\. Outdoor sunlight (the best quality in my opinion)\n\nAgain, these all look much better on my phone. This weekend I am going to try to pull them off of the camera via USB and upload them from my MacBook and see if that has any affect on the YouTube quality.\n\nLast edited:\n\nJan 22, 2016\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n#### [TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n**Original poster**\n\nJun 27, 2010\n\n3,531\n\n741\n\n[Plano, TX](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX)\n\n- [Jan 24, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22498549)\n\n- [\\#18](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22498549)\n\nI used iMovie to make a video out of several clips. These were filmed with the camera in the waterproof housing with and adhesive mount on my windshield. I think a better mount would help with the movement of the camera. I am looking in to a suction cup mount with a larger base.\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n#### [TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n**Original poster**\n\nJun 27, 2010\n\n3,531\n\n741\n\n[Plano, TX](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX)\n\n- [Jan 24, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22500130)\n\n- [\\#19](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22500130)\n\nA few things I thought it would be important to mention:  \n   \n 1. I have never personally used a GoPro branded camera. This thread is not meant to knock GoPro or state that the SJ4000 is better (or worse, or the same as a GoPro). In fact, if money was no object I would have the top of the line GoPro and every accessory possible. 🙂  \n   \n 2. The point of this thread is to simply share my experience with the SJ4000. I am not a professional photographer, videographer, or editor. I am just a guy who likes cool toys, but has a wife, two dogs, and as of April two kids (so I am on a budget). 🙂  \n \\[doublepost=1453688937\\]\\[\/doublepost\\]I figured I would go over the SJCAM app for those who are interested.  \n   \n The app is a great feature for this camera. The app does act as a viewfinder for the camera. That being said there is a slight (1-2 second) delay between the camera and the app. This isn't a huge issue because the camera has a built in display on the back.   \n   \n The app also works as a remote for the camera. You are able to switch between still and video, start and stop recordings, and set the timer on the camera.  \n   \n My favorite feature of the app is that it allows you to review the footage that has been filmed and copy it to your phone.  \n   \n The app connects to your phone via the camera's wifi output. This can be a little clunky (have to go in to the Settings on your phone and connect to the wifi network, then open the app) but it is what it is. The app is not a necessity when using the camera, so it does not hinder the user experience in my opinion.\n\n[![mtbdudex](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/122\/122952.jpg?1761992441)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/mtbdudex.122952\/)\n\n#### [mtbdudex](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/mtbdudex.122952\/)\n##### macrumors 68040\n\nAug 28, 2007\n\n3,414\n\n8,478\n\n[SE Michigan](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/misc\/location-info?location=SE+Michigan)\n\n- [Jan 25, 2016](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22500635)\n\n- [\\#20](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22500635)\n\nSame here, budget rules apply to me. 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However, I don't really want to spend several hundred dollars on one. I have seen quite a few on Amazon for \\$75 and under. Does anyone have any experience with these?\n\nThanks\\!\n\n- [\\#2](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468251)\n\nThe knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month.\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n- [\\#3](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468253)\n\n> The knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month.\n\nI should have added to the first post that I don't expect the knock offs to be the same quality as the GoPro. I am really looking to see if I will use it before putting a bunch of money in to it. 🙂\n\n- [\\#4](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468257)\n\nI have seen these knock offs on Amazon as well. Quite frankly, they don't interest me really. Alternatively, you could rent a GoPro from a place like lensrentals.com to try out for a weekend. More of like a try before you buy. Especially if you're hesitant like I am to drop \\$200+ on a GoPro.\n\n- [\\#5](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22468874)\n\nWell, the so called \"knock-off's\" especially the SJCAM branded ones, are supposed to be pretty good. Well, good enough to make a pretty large dent in GoPro's share price anyway. Dependant upon exactly what your usage will be, you'll probably be fine with a SJCAM.\n\nHere's a quote from an online comparison review (note: the comparison here is specifically the GoPro Hero - the budget version, vs the SJCAM 4000 - so the closest price equivalence). If you want to spend a lot more, then clearly the GoPro Hero 4 is the king.\n\n\"The SJCAM SJ 4000, in respect to the GoPro Hero, is a far superior camera at a price far below the cost of the GoPro Hero. For around \\$70 you can get full HD 1080p videos, 12 mega pixel still photos, a 170 degree lens, a built in 1.5 inch LCD screen to playback your videos, several mounts, and many other features not included in in the \\$120.00 Go Pro Hero. In terms of quality the SJCAM SJ 4000 is comparable to GoPros last camera series the GoPro Hero 3 and GoPro Hero 3 silver. Considering the SJCAM SJ 4000 is one fourth the cost of the GoPro Hero 3, it’s safe to say when it comes to value the SJCAM SJ 4000 is your best bet.\"\n\nLast edited: Jan 15, 2016\n\n- [\\#6](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22469073)\n\nWhat do you guys think about the Xiomi Yi in that \\$75-\\$80 price range?\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n- [\\#7](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22470532)\n\nEnded up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under \\$90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂\n\n- [\\#8](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22471956)\n\n> Ended up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under \\$90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂\n\nThink you will be disappointed. the quality will show.\n\n- [\\#9](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22472122)\n\nI suspect that many people who buy Go Pro clones aren't abusing them as harshly as GoPro intends.Freed of that constraint, it should be fairly easy for the manufacturer to put in better optics, and sensors for a lower price.\n\nLast edited: Jan 16, 2016\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n- [\\#10](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22472715)\n\nI should have mentioned that I am not really looking for the highest possible image quality. Looking for something to take out and have fun with when we go to the ranch. 🙂\n\nI have been wanting a GoPro for a long time. However, I have tendency to buy cool stuff and then never really use it. This is a low cost way to see if I will get some use out of it. If I do, I may upgrade in the future.\n\n- [\\#11](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22476068)\n\nAnother way to go is not a \"knock off,\" but a competitor. I got a very nice Ricoh for under \\$100; I think it's been discontinued (or maybe just ignored). GoPro's competitors have struggled a bit, and sometimes they have cameras that had maybe even better optics, but just lacked a feature like higher framerates or whatnot. Outfits like Sony, Contour, Garmin, etc. Amazon's full of 'em.\n\nAnd now that 360 degree is the Thing, maybe more discounts, since GoPro hasn't caught up lately.\n\nJust make sure it outputs something you can edit easily on a Mac.\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n- [\\#13](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491414)\n\nJust got the camera. I only used it for a few minutes so far, I will play around with it more after I put my son to bed.\n\nSo far, the build and accessory quality is better than I thought it would be. The image quality is about what I expected. It is likely not 1080p but it will do. This camera is to see if I will even use something like this without investing in a GoPro. If I do use it a lot I will upgrade. 🙂\n\n- [\\#14](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491433)\n\nI never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent.   \n I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week.\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n- [\\#15](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22491476)\n\n> I never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent.   \n>  I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week.\n\nIf I were to get the GoPro I would want the top of the line, that is a bit out of my budget for right now. This one will do. 🙂\n\n- [\\#16](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22493630)\n\nI'm watching this thread, post your results every 1-2 weeks.  \n I'd like one for snow skiing, MTB riding, and go karts with my 2 boys.  \n Capture action\/etc\n\n![2015\\_11\\_30\\_00\\_50\\_03.jpg](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-pREi6SLUQEY%2FVlvji5WtCkI%2FAAAAAAAAXXA%2F79fMABVCp50%2Fs400-Ic42%2F2015_11_30_00_50_03.jpg&hash=ef3fe0e44709bf8a1d1f31ac8e2a4bf5)\n\n.\n\n![WaldenwoodBike.jpg](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-cQJOtLeMLAM%2FVQXfUG6MxKI%2FAAAAAAAAVqU%2Fyo1IgwxdGR4%2Fs400-Ic42%2FWaldenwoodBike.jpg&hash=a475cb13e75cdc90ac54e353ab7ef3ac)\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n- [\\#17](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22493838)\n\nI got the camera last night so my only time to play with it up until now has been in my apartment. The lighting in there is so poor even my nicer cameras have a hard time making things look good. I just went outside at my office and played with the camera. Overall, I am impressed with it (for the cost). I know it is not GoPro quality, but it will do for my uses for now. It does distort still photos due to the fisheye lens, but I really didn't but it for stills. I uploaded a few sample videos to YouTube, I will post them below as well.\n\nThese were post from my iPhone via the SJCAM and YouTube apps. Not sure how that affects the upload quality. They do look slightly better on my phone. I should also note that these were all taken with the camera inside the waterproof housing (which covers the lens).\n\n1\\. Low (horrible) light at home.\n\n2\\. Indoor light inside my office. (This one was filmed using the remote SJCAM app, a nice added feature)\n\n3\\. Outdoor sunlight (the best quality in my opinion)\n\nAgain, these all look much better on my phone. This weekend I am going to try to pull them off of the camera via USB and upload them from my MacBook and see if that has any affect on the YouTube quality.\n\nLast edited: Jan 22, 2016\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n- [\\#18](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22498549)\n\nI used iMovie to make a video out of several clips. These were filmed with the camera in the waterproof housing with and adhesive mount on my windshield. I think a better mount would help with the movement of the camera. I am looking in to a suction cup mount with a larger base.\n\n[![TWO2SEVEN](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/data\/avatars\/m\/454\/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/members\/two2seven.454084\/)\n\n- [\\#19](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22500130)\n\nA few things I thought it would be important to mention:\n\n1\\. I have never personally used a GoPro branded camera. This thread is not meant to knock GoPro or state that the SJ4000 is better (or worse, or the same as a GoPro). In fact, if money was no object I would have the top of the line GoPro and every accessory possible. 🙂\n\n2\\. The point of this thread is to simply share my experience with the SJ4000. I am not a professional photographer, videographer, or editor. I am just a guy who likes cool toys, but has a wife, two dogs, and as of April two kids (so I am on a budget). 🙂  \n \\[doublepost=1453688937\\]\\[\/doublepost\\]I figured I would go over the SJCAM app for those who are interested.\n\nThe app is a great feature for this camera. The app does act as a viewfinder for the camera. That being said there is a slight (1-2 second) delay between the camera and the app. This isn't a huge issue because the camera has a built in display on the back.\n\nThe app also works as a remote for the camera. You are able to switch between still and video, start and stop recordings, and set the timer on the camera.\n\nMy favorite feature of the app is that it allows you to review the footage that has been filmed and copy it to your phone.\n\nThe app connects to your phone via the camera's wifi output. This can be a little clunky (have to go in to the Settings on your phone and connect to the wifi network, then open the app) but it is what it is. The app is not a necessity when using the camera, so it does not hinder the user experience in my opinion.\n\n- [\\#20](https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597\/post-22500635)\n\nSame here, budget rules apply to me. Appreciate the updates.","meta_canonical":null}

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Boilerpipe Text	#1 I have been wanting a GoPro to play around with. However, I don't really want to spend several hundred dollars on one. I have seen quite a few on Amazon for $75 and under. Does anyone have any experience with these? Thanks! #2 The knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month. #3 The knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month. I should have added to the first post that I don't expect the knock offs to be the same quality as the GoPro. I am really looking to see if I will use it before putting a bunch of money in to it. 🙂 #4 I have seen these knock offs on Amazon as well. Quite frankly, they don't interest me really. Alternatively, you could rent a GoPro from a place like lensrentals.com to try out for a weekend. More of like a try before you buy. Especially if you're hesitant like I am to drop $200+ on a GoPro. #5 Well, the so called "knock-off's" especially the SJCAM branded ones, are supposed to be pretty good. Well, good enough to make a pretty large dent in GoPro's share price anyway. Dependant upon exactly what your usage will be, you'll probably be fine with a SJCAM. Here's a quote from an online comparison review (note: the comparison here is specifically the GoPro Hero - the budget version, vs the SJCAM 4000 - so the closest price equivalence). If you want to spend a lot more, then clearly the GoPro Hero 4 is the king. "The SJCAM SJ 4000, in respect to the GoPro Hero, is a far superior camera at a price far below the cost of the GoPro Hero. For around $70 you can get full HD 1080p videos, 12 mega pixel still photos, a 170 degree lens, a built in 1.5 inch LCD screen to playback your videos, several mounts, and many other features not included in in the $120.00 Go Pro Hero. In terms of quality the SJCAM SJ 4000 is comparable to GoPros last camera series the GoPro Hero 3 and GoPro Hero 3 silver. Considering the SJCAM SJ 4000 is one fourth the cost of the GoPro Hero 3, it’s safe to say when it comes to value the SJCAM SJ 4000 is your best bet." Last edited: Jan 15, 2016 #6 What do you guys think about the Xiomi Yi in that $75-$80 price range? #7 Ended up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under $90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂 #8 Ended up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under $90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂 Think you will be disappointed. the quality will show. #9 I suspect that many people who buy Go Pro clones aren't abusing them as harshly as GoPro intends.Freed of that constraint, it should be fairly easy for the manufacturer to put in better optics, and sensors for a lower price. Last edited: Jan 16, 2016 #10 I should have mentioned that I am not really looking for the highest possible image quality. Looking for something to take out and have fun with when we go to the ranch. 🙂 I have been wanting a GoPro for a long time. However, I have tendency to buy cool stuff and then never really use it. This is a low cost way to see if I will get some use out of it. If I do, I may upgrade in the future. #11 Another way to go is not a "knock off," but a competitor. I got a very nice Ricoh for under $100; I think it's been discontinued (or maybe just ignored). GoPro's competitors have struggled a bit, and sometimes they have cameras that had maybe even better optics, but just lacked a feature like higher framerates or whatnot. Outfits like Sony, Contour, Garmin, etc. Amazon's full of 'em. And now that 360 degree is the Thing, maybe more discounts, since GoPro hasn't caught up lately. Just make sure it outputs something you can edit easily on a Mac. #13 Just got the camera. I only used it for a few minutes so far, I will play around with it more after I put my son to bed. So far, the build and accessory quality is better than I thought it would be. The image quality is about what I expected. It is likely not 1080p but it will do. This camera is to see if I will even use something like this without investing in a GoPro. If I do use it a lot I will upgrade. 🙂 #14 I never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent. I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week. #15 I never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent. I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week. If I were to get the GoPro I would want the top of the line, that is a bit out of my budget for right now. This one will do. 🙂 #16 I'm watching this thread, post your results every 1-2 weeks. I'd like one for snow skiing, MTB riding, and go karts with my 2 boys. Capture action/etc . #17 I got the camera last night so my only time to play with it up until now has been in my apartment. The lighting in there is so poor even my nicer cameras have a hard time making things look good. I just went outside at my office and played with the camera. Overall, I am impressed with it (for the cost). I know it is not GoPro quality, but it will do for my uses for now. It does distort still photos due to the fisheye lens, but I really didn't but it for stills. I uploaded a few sample videos to YouTube, I will post them below as well. These were post from my iPhone via the SJCAM and YouTube apps. Not sure how that affects the upload quality. They do look slightly better on my phone. I should also note that these were all taken with the camera inside the waterproof housing (which covers the lens). 1. Low (horrible) light at home. 2. Indoor light inside my office. (This one was filmed using the remote SJCAM app, a nice added feature) 3. Outdoor sunlight (the best quality in my opinion) Again, these all look much better on my phone. This weekend I am going to try to pull them off of the camera via USB and upload them from my MacBook and see if that has any affect on the YouTube quality. Last edited: Jan 22, 2016 #18 I used iMovie to make a video out of several clips. These were filmed with the camera in the waterproof housing with and adhesive mount on my windshield. I think a better mount would help with the movement of the camera. I am looking in to a suction cup mount with a larger base. #19 A few things I thought it would be important to mention: 1. I have never personally used a GoPro branded camera. This thread is not meant to knock GoPro or state that the SJ4000 is better (or worse, or the same as a GoPro). In fact, if money was no object I would have the top of the line GoPro and every accessory possible. 🙂 2. The point of this thread is to simply share my experience with the SJ4000. I am not a professional photographer, videographer, or editor. I am just a guy who likes cool toys, but has a wife, two dogs, and as of April two kids (so I am on a budget). 🙂 [doublepost=1453688937][/doublepost]I figured I would go over the SJCAM app for those who are interested. The app is a great feature for this camera. The app does act as a viewfinder for the camera. That being said there is a slight (1-2 second) delay between the camera and the app. This isn't a huge issue because the camera has a built in display on the back. The app also works as a remote for the camera. You are able to switch between still and video, start and stop recordings, and set the timer on the camera. My favorite feature of the app is that it allows you to review the footage that has been filmed and copy it to your phone. The app connects to your phone via the camera's wifi output. This can be a little clunky (have to go in to the Settings on your phone and connect to the wifi network, then open the app) but it is what it is. The app is not a necessity when using the camera, so it does not hinder the user experience in my opinion. #20 Same here, budget rules apply to me. Appreciate the updates.
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Menu Install the app Install How to install the app on iOS Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen. Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers. # GoPro Alternatives / SJCAM On-Going Review - Thread starter [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - Start date [Jan 14, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/) - [Sort by reaction score](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/?view=reaction_score) - [Forums](https://forums.macrumors.com/) - [Special Interests](https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/-/list#special-interests.57) - [Digital Video](https://forums.macrumors.com/forums/digital-video.80/) JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an [alternative browser](https://www.google.com/chrome/). [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 14, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468236) - [\#1](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468236) I have been wanting a GoPro to play around with. However, I don't really want to spend several hundred dollars on one. I have seen quite a few on Amazon for \$75 and under. Does anyone have any experience with these? Thanks\! [![von franklin](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/965/965175.jpg?1433133521)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/von-franklin.965175/) #### [von franklin](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/von-franklin.965175/) ##### macrumors regular May 31, 2015 120 38 [Texas](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Texas) - [Jan 14, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468251) - [\#2](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468251) The knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month. [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 14, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468253) - [\#3](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468253) > [von franklin said:](https://forums.macrumors.com/goto/post?id=22468251) > > The knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month. > > [Click to expand...]() I should have added to the first post that I don't expect the knock offs to be the same quality as the GoPro. I am really looking to see if I will use it before putting a bunch of money in to it. 🙂 [![nburwell](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/184/184080.jpg?1534860825)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/nburwell.184080/) #### [nburwell](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/nburwell.184080/) ##### macrumors 603 May 6, 2008 5,629 2,514 [DE](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=DE) - [Jan 14, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468257) - [\#4](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468257) I have seen these knock offs on Amazon as well. Quite frankly, they don't interest me really. Alternatively, you could rent a GoPro from a place like lensrentals.com to try out for a weekend. More of like a try before you buy. Especially if you're hesitant like I am to drop \$200+ on a GoPro. - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/22468257/reactions) [A](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/attonine.67243/) #### [Attonine](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/attonine.67243/) ##### macrumors 6502a Feb 15, 2006 744 58 [Kent. UK](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Kent.++UK) - [Jan 15, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468874) - [\#5](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468874) Well, the so called "knock-off's" especially the SJCAM branded ones, are supposed to be pretty good. Well, good enough to make a pretty large dent in GoPro's share price anyway. Dependant upon exactly what your usage will be, you'll probably be fine with a SJCAM. Here's a quote from an online comparison review (note: the comparison here is specifically the GoPro Hero - the budget version, vs the SJCAM 4000 - so the closest price equivalence). If you want to spend a lot more, then clearly the GoPro Hero 4 is the king. "The SJCAM SJ 4000, in respect to the GoPro Hero, is a far superior camera at a price far below the cost of the GoPro Hero. For around \$70 you can get full HD 1080p videos, 12 mega pixel still photos, a 170 degree lens, a built in 1.5 inch LCD screen to playback your videos, several mounts, and many other features not included in in the \$120.00 Go Pro Hero. In terms of quality the SJCAM SJ 4000 is comparable to GoPros last camera series the GoPro Hero 3 and GoPro Hero 3 silver. Considering the SJCAM SJ 4000 is one fourth the cost of the GoPro Hero 3, it’s safe to say when it comes to value the SJCAM SJ 4000 is your best bet." Last edited: Jan 15, 2016 - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/22468874/reactions) [![pmxperience](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/606/606871.jpg?1433713232)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/pmxperience.606871/) #### [pmxperience](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/pmxperience.606871/) ##### macrumors regular Aug 12, 2011 241 456 [United States](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=United+States) - [Jan 15, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22469073) - [\#6](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22469073) What do you guys think about the Xiomi Yi in that \$75-\$80 price range? [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 15, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22470532) - [\#7](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22470532) Ended up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under \$90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂 - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [mtbdudex](https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/22470532/reactions) [![von franklin](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/965/965175.jpg?1433133521)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/von-franklin.965175/) #### [von franklin](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/von-franklin.965175/) ##### macrumors regular May 31, 2015 120 38 [Texas](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Texas) - [Jan 15, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22471956) - [\#8](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22471956) > [TWO2SEVEN said:](https://forums.macrumors.com/goto/post?id=22470532) > > Ended up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under \$90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂 > > [Click to expand...]() Think you will be disappointed. the quality will show. [J](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/jerwin.969772/) #### [jerwin](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/jerwin.969772/) ##### Suspended Jun 13, 2015 2,895 4,652 - [Jan 16, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22472122) - [\#9](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22472122) I suspect that many people who buy Go Pro clones aren't abusing them as harshly as GoPro intends.Freed of that constraint, it should be fairly easy for the manufacturer to put in better optics, and sensors for a lower price. Last edited: Jan 16, 2016 [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 16, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22472715) - [\#10](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22472715) I should have mentioned that I am not really looking for the highest possible image quality. Looking for something to take out and have fun with when we go to the ranch. 🙂 I have been wanting a GoPro for a long time. However, I have tendency to buy cool stuff and then never really use it. This is a low cost way to see if I will get some use out of it. If I do, I may upgrade in the future. [R](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/robgendreau.204559/) #### [robgendreau](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/robgendreau.204559/) ##### macrumors 68040 Jul 13, 2008 3,472 340 - [Jan 17, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22476068) - [\#11](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22476068) Another way to go is not a "knock off," but a competitor. I got a very nice Ricoh for under \$100; I think it's been discontinued (or maybe just ignored). GoPro's competitors have struggled a bit, and sometimes they have cameras that had maybe even better optics, but just lacked a feature like higher framerates or whatnot. Outfits like Sony, Contour, Garmin, etc. Amazon's full of 'em. And now that 360 degree is the Thing, maybe more discounts, since GoPro hasn't caught up lately. Just make sure it outputs something you can edit easily on a Mac. - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [WigWag Workshop](https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/22476068/reactions) [B](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/beavo451.75968/) #### [beavo451](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/beavo451.75968/) ##### macrumors 6502 Jun 22, 2006 483 2 - [Jan 18, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22479958) - [\#12](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22479958) [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 21, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491414) - [\#13](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491414) Just got the camera. I only used it for a few minutes so far, I will play around with it more after I put my son to bed. So far, the build and accessory quality is better than I thought it would be. The image quality is about what I expected. It is likely not 1080p but it will do. This camera is to see if I will even use something like this without investing in a GoPro. If I do use it a lot I will upgrade. 🙂 [![richwoodrocket](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/885/885310.jpg?1433815601)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/richwoodrocket.885310/) #### [richwoodrocket](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/richwoodrocket.885310/) ##### macrumors 68020 Apr 7, 2014 2,133 112 [Buffalo, NY](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Buffalo%2C+NY) - [Jan 21, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491433) - [\#14](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491433) I never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent. I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week. [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 21, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491476) - [\#15](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491476) > [richwoodrocket said:](https://forums.macrumors.com/goto/post?id=22491433) > > I never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent. > I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week. > > [Click to expand...]() If I were to get the GoPro I would want the top of the line, that is a bit out of my budget for right now. This one will do. 🙂 [![mtbdudex](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/122/122952.jpg?1761992441)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/mtbdudex.122952/) #### [mtbdudex](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/mtbdudex.122952/) ##### macrumors 68040 Aug 28, 2007 3,414 8,478 [SE Michigan](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=SE+Michigan) - [Jan 22, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22493630) - [\#16](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22493630) I'm watching this thread, post your results every 1-2 weeks. I'd like one for snow skiing, MTB riding, and go karts with my 2 boys. Capture action/etc ![2015\_11\_30\_00\_50\_03.jpg](https://forums.macrumors.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-pREi6SLUQEY%2FVlvji5WtCkI%2FAAAAAAAAXXA%2F79fMABVCp50%2Fs400-Ic42%2F2015_11_30_00_50_03.jpg&hash=ef3fe0e44709bf8a1d1f31ac8e2a4bf5) . ![WaldenwoodBike.jpg](https://forums.macrumors.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-cQJOtLeMLAM%2FVQXfUG6MxKI%2FAAAAAAAAVqU%2Fyo1IgwxdGR4%2Fs400-Ic42%2FWaldenwoodBike.jpg&hash=a475cb13e75cdc90ac54e353ab7ef3ac) [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 22, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22493838) - [\#17](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22493838) I got the camera last night so my only time to play with it up until now has been in my apartment. The lighting in there is so poor even my nicer cameras have a hard time making things look good. I just went outside at my office and played with the camera. Overall, I am impressed with it (for the cost). I know it is not GoPro quality, but it will do for my uses for now. It does distort still photos due to the fisheye lens, but I really didn't but it for stills. I uploaded a few sample videos to YouTube, I will post them below as well. These were post from my iPhone via the SJCAM and YouTube apps. Not sure how that affects the upload quality. They do look slightly better on my phone. I should also note that these were all taken with the camera inside the waterproof housing (which covers the lens). 1. Low (horrible) light at home. 2\. Indoor light inside my office. (This one was filmed using the remote SJCAM app, a nice added feature) 3\. Outdoor sunlight (the best quality in my opinion) Again, these all look much better on my phone. This weekend I am going to try to pull them off of the camera via USB and upload them from my MacBook and see if that has any affect on the YouTube quality. Last edited: Jan 22, 2016 [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 24, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22498549) - [\#18](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22498549) I used iMovie to make a video out of several clips. These were filmed with the camera in the waterproof housing with and adhesive mount on my windshield. I think a better mount would help with the movement of the camera. I am looking in to a suction cup mount with a larger base. [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) #### [TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) ##### macrumors 68040 Original poster Jun 27, 2010 3,531 741 [Plano, TX](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=Plano%2C+TX) - [Jan 24, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22500130) - [\#19](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22500130) A few things I thought it would be important to mention: 1. I have never personally used a GoPro branded camera. This thread is not meant to knock GoPro or state that the SJ4000 is better (or worse, or the same as a GoPro). In fact, if money was no object I would have the top of the line GoPro and every accessory possible. 🙂 2. The point of this thread is to simply share my experience with the SJ4000. I am not a professional photographer, videographer, or editor. I am just a guy who likes cool toys, but has a wife, two dogs, and as of April two kids (so I am on a budget). 🙂 \[doublepost=1453688937\]\[/doublepost\]I figured I would go over the SJCAM app for those who are interested. The app is a great feature for this camera. The app does act as a viewfinder for the camera. That being said there is a slight (1-2 second) delay between the camera and the app. This isn't a huge issue because the camera has a built in display on the back. The app also works as a remote for the camera. You are able to switch between still and video, start and stop recordings, and set the timer on the camera. My favorite feature of the app is that it allows you to review the footage that has been filmed and copy it to your phone. The app connects to your phone via the camera's wifi output. This can be a little clunky (have to go in to the Settings on your phone and connect to the wifi network, then open the app) but it is what it is. The app is not a necessity when using the camera, so it does not hinder the user experience in my opinion. [![mtbdudex](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/122/122952.jpg?1761992441)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/mtbdudex.122952/) #### [mtbdudex](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/mtbdudex.122952/) ##### macrumors 68040 Aug 28, 2007 3,414 8,478 [SE Michigan](https://forums.macrumors.com/misc/location-info?location=SE+Michigan) - [Jan 25, 2016](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22500635) - [\#20](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22500635) Same here, budget rules apply to me. 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Readable Markdown	[![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#1](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468236) I have been wanting a GoPro to play around with. However, I don't really want to spend several hundred dollars on one. I have seen quite a few on Amazon for \$75 and under. Does anyone have any experience with these? Thanks\! - [\#2](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468251) The knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month. [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#3](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468253) > The knock offs will be crap. I had one just play with it and it broke with in the first month. I should have added to the first post that I don't expect the knock offs to be the same quality as the GoPro. I am really looking to see if I will use it before putting a bunch of money in to it. 🙂 - [\#4](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468257) I have seen these knock offs on Amazon as well. Quite frankly, they don't interest me really. Alternatively, you could rent a GoPro from a place like lensrentals.com to try out for a weekend. More of like a try before you buy. Especially if you're hesitant like I am to drop \$200+ on a GoPro. - [\#5](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22468874) Well, the so called "knock-off's" especially the SJCAM branded ones, are supposed to be pretty good. Well, good enough to make a pretty large dent in GoPro's share price anyway. Dependant upon exactly what your usage will be, you'll probably be fine with a SJCAM. Here's a quote from an online comparison review (note: the comparison here is specifically the GoPro Hero - the budget version, vs the SJCAM 4000 - so the closest price equivalence). If you want to spend a lot more, then clearly the GoPro Hero 4 is the king. "The SJCAM SJ 4000, in respect to the GoPro Hero, is a far superior camera at a price far below the cost of the GoPro Hero. For around \$70 you can get full HD 1080p videos, 12 mega pixel still photos, a 170 degree lens, a built in 1.5 inch LCD screen to playback your videos, several mounts, and many other features not included in in the \$120.00 Go Pro Hero. In terms of quality the SJCAM SJ 4000 is comparable to GoPros last camera series the GoPro Hero 3 and GoPro Hero 3 silver. Considering the SJCAM SJ 4000 is one fourth the cost of the GoPro Hero 3, it’s safe to say when it comes to value the SJCAM SJ 4000 is your best bet." Last edited: Jan 15, 2016 - [\#6](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22469073) What do you guys think about the Xiomi Yi in that \$75-\$80 price range? [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#7](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22470532) Ended up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under \$90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂 - [\#8](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22471956) > Ended up ordering the SJ4000 and a Micro SD card on Amazon for under \$90. Should be here by next Thursday 🙂 Think you will be disappointed. the quality will show. - [\#9](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22472122) I suspect that many people who buy Go Pro clones aren't abusing them as harshly as GoPro intends.Freed of that constraint, it should be fairly easy for the manufacturer to put in better optics, and sensors for a lower price. Last edited: Jan 16, 2016 [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#10](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22472715) I should have mentioned that I am not really looking for the highest possible image quality. Looking for something to take out and have fun with when we go to the ranch. 🙂 I have been wanting a GoPro for a long time. However, I have tendency to buy cool stuff and then never really use it. This is a low cost way to see if I will get some use out of it. If I do, I may upgrade in the future. - [\#11](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22476068) Another way to go is not a "knock off," but a competitor. I got a very nice Ricoh for under \$100; I think it's been discontinued (or maybe just ignored). GoPro's competitors have struggled a bit, and sometimes they have cameras that had maybe even better optics, but just lacked a feature like higher framerates or whatnot. Outfits like Sony, Contour, Garmin, etc. Amazon's full of 'em. And now that 360 degree is the Thing, maybe more discounts, since GoPro hasn't caught up lately. Just make sure it outputs something you can edit easily on a Mac. [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#13](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491414) Just got the camera. I only used it for a few minutes so far, I will play around with it more after I put my son to bed. So far, the build and accessory quality is better than I thought it would be. The image quality is about what I expected. It is likely not 1080p but it will do. This camera is to see if I will even use something like this without investing in a GoPro. If I do use it a lot I will upgrade. 🙂 - [\#14](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491433) I never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent. I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week. [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#15](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22491476) > I never getting considered a GoPro clone. I have a GoPro hero 3 white. I've contacted support a few times, and they've been super helpful. Support with a knock off would probably be nonexistent. > I contacted GoPro because my housing snapped. They sent me a new one for free and I had it within a week. If I were to get the GoPro I would want the top of the line, that is a bit out of my budget for right now. This one will do. 🙂 - [\#16](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22493630) I'm watching this thread, post your results every 1-2 weeks. I'd like one for snow skiing, MTB riding, and go karts with my 2 boys. Capture action/etc ![2015\_11\_30\_00\_50\_03.jpg](https://forums.macrumors.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-pREi6SLUQEY%2FVlvji5WtCkI%2FAAAAAAAAXXA%2F79fMABVCp50%2Fs400-Ic42%2F2015_11_30_00_50_03.jpg&hash=ef3fe0e44709bf8a1d1f31ac8e2a4bf5) . ![WaldenwoodBike.jpg](https://forums.macrumors.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-cQJOtLeMLAM%2FVQXfUG6MxKI%2FAAAAAAAAVqU%2Fyo1IgwxdGR4%2Fs400-Ic42%2FWaldenwoodBike.jpg&hash=a475cb13e75cdc90ac54e353ab7ef3ac) [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#17](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22493838) I got the camera last night so my only time to play with it up until now has been in my apartment. The lighting in there is so poor even my nicer cameras have a hard time making things look good. I just went outside at my office and played with the camera. Overall, I am impressed with it (for the cost). I know it is not GoPro quality, but it will do for my uses for now. It does distort still photos due to the fisheye lens, but I really didn't but it for stills. I uploaded a few sample videos to YouTube, I will post them below as well. These were post from my iPhone via the SJCAM and YouTube apps. Not sure how that affects the upload quality. They do look slightly better on my phone. I should also note that these were all taken with the camera inside the waterproof housing (which covers the lens). 1\. Low (horrible) light at home. 2\. Indoor light inside my office. (This one was filmed using the remote SJCAM app, a nice added feature) 3\. Outdoor sunlight (the best quality in my opinion) Again, these all look much better on my phone. This weekend I am going to try to pull them off of the camera via USB and upload them from my MacBook and see if that has any affect on the YouTube quality. Last edited: Jan 22, 2016 [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#18](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22498549) I used iMovie to make a video out of several clips. These were filmed with the camera in the waterproof housing with and adhesive mount on my windshield. I think a better mount would help with the movement of the camera. I am looking in to a suction cup mount with a larger base. [![TWO2SEVEN](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/avatars/m/454/454084.jpg?1546022341)](https://forums.macrumors.com/members/two2seven.454084/) - [\#19](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22500130) A few things I thought it would be important to mention: 1\. I have never personally used a GoPro branded camera. This thread is not meant to knock GoPro or state that the SJ4000 is better (or worse, or the same as a GoPro). In fact, if money was no object I would have the top of the line GoPro and every accessory possible. 🙂 2\. The point of this thread is to simply share my experience with the SJ4000. I am not a professional photographer, videographer, or editor. I am just a guy who likes cool toys, but has a wife, two dogs, and as of April two kids (so I am on a budget). 🙂 \[doublepost=1453688937\]\[/doublepost\]I figured I would go over the SJCAM app for those who are interested. The app is a great feature for this camera. The app does act as a viewfinder for the camera. That being said there is a slight (1-2 second) delay between the camera and the app. This isn't a huge issue because the camera has a built in display on the back. The app also works as a remote for the camera. You are able to switch between still and video, start and stop recordings, and set the timer on the camera. My favorite feature of the app is that it allows you to review the footage that has been filmed and copy it to your phone. The app connects to your phone via the camera's wifi output. This can be a little clunky (have to go in to the Settings on your phone and connect to the wifi network, then open the app) but it is what it is. The app is not a necessity when using the camera, so it does not hinder the user experience in my opinion. - [\#20](https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/gopro-alternatives-sjcam-on-going-review.1950597/post-22500635) Same here, budget rules apply to me. Appreciate the updates.
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