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1. Shard Calculation

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Response:

Calculated Shard: 82 (from laksa198)

2. Crawled Status Check

Query:

curl -X POST \
  'http://laksa082.int.ahrefs:8124/' \
  -H 'Content-Type: text/plain' \
  -H 'X-ClickHouse-Database: crawler3' \
  -H 'Authorization: Basic YXBpOg==' \
  -d 'SELECT getAhrefsURLFromUnparsed(src_unparsed) AS found_url, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(download_stamp), 0) AS crawl_time, ifNull(toUnixTimestamp(props_url_first_seen), 0) AS first_indexed_time, download_http_code AS http_code, src_unparsed AS src_unparsed, src_root_hash AS src_root_hash, history_drop_reason AS history_drop_reason, meta_title AS meta_title, meta_descriptions AS meta_descriptions, attrs_boilerpipe_text AS attrs_boilerpipe_text, attrs_markdown AS attrs_markdown, attrs_readable_markdown AS attrs_readable_markdown, meta_canonical AS meta_canonical FROM crawler3.page_info_local FINAL PREWHERE (src_root_hash, src_unparsed) IN ((getAhrefsRootHashFromUnparsed(getAhrefsUnparsedNoserviceFromURL(\'https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-5\')), getAhrefsUnparsedNoserviceFromURL(\'https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-5\'))) FORMAT JSONEachRow'

Response:

{"found_url":"https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-5","crawl_time":1768285044,"first_indexed_time":1757605437,"http_code":200,"src_unparsed":"sg,com,hardwarezone!forums,\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-5 s443","src_root_hash":"17352802772854006282","history_drop_reason":null,"meta_title":"Apple iPhone 17 is out | Page 5 | HardwareZone Forums","meta_descriptions":["will keep on using my ifone 16 until got really new features that impress me"],"attrs_boilerpipe_text":"#81\nwill keep on using my ifone 16\nuntil got really new features that impress me\n#82\nWow! Yours still working? My ip7+ lightning port a bit siao siao now, sometimes can charge sometimes can’t. Its now sitting in my drawer. Using IP16PM as daily driver.\ni took my mum's iphone 7+ to play around. but the battery draining is damn jialat and the phone get hot almost immediately. granted, she didnt change the battery since she started using the phone until now...\n#83\nmany people feel they need the best of the best but their real usage only utilises maybe 2\/3 of the power of the phone at most. so many want best camera but for their usage, they dont need the pro version lol. even the base model's cam is more than what they need\n#84\nApple fanboy gonna praised the Pro blindly again. This year's pro is very poor value.\nIphone 17 is same price, got thinner bezel, storage increase from 128 to 256, get 120 Hz display. Other stuff are insignificant like what camera improvements, glare coating.\nIphone 17 pro downgrade from titanium to cheap aluminium, everything else is the same or insignificant. Price increase by USD 100. Probably come SG increase by $150.\nNot all apple fanboy, i been using apple since the start and still is using and even i can tell this year's offering stink all the way to the dumps.\nThis is prolly the most disappointing year from Apple in recent years.\nEach year's upgrade shrink in term of value but the price almost went up annually considering inflation.\n#85\nfeel like buying the iphone air leh... but camera sucks and top up abit can get pro max liao\nThen u just fall into the marketing trap.\nJust buy what you need and not ''top up a bit can....''.\n#86\ncui why the body frame from titanium change to aluminum for the pro series\nis just a mini upgrade from 16pro nia\nif go by the older days of naming, this one is like iphone 16s series\nLast edited:\nSep 10, 2025\n#87\nWhat they thinking with the design? Money cannot buy class indeed.\n#89\nExpensive as compared to US price\nsinkieland really impose tariffs on US goods\nno wonder Trump wants to set 10% tariffs on sinkieland\nYa, why like that?\nUSA price = USD799 = SGD1050\nSG price = SGD1299\nare we carrots?\n#90\nWell, I dont even care. Im still into android hahahaha\n#91\nToo bad the iPhone Air is eSIM only. I still prefer physical SIM unless local telcos all offer seamless eSIM transfer without cost.\n#92\nWill be getting the iPhone 17 Pro.\nJust shocked at the pricing discrepancy. It is selling for 1099 USD in US but 1749 in singapore.\n#93\noptical zoom now is 8x leh\nMinor improvement. Where is the innovation?\nBecoming like Nokia soon. Even more zoom have to shout out as major improvement. You agree?\n#94\nYa, why like that?\nUSA price = USD799 = SGD1050\nSG price = SGD1299\nare we carrots?\nThey can't tariff US iphone. Trump will get angry. So they tariff the rest of the world.\n#95\nNot all apple fanboy, i been using apple since the start and still is using and even i can tell this year's offering stink all the way to the dumps.\nThis is prolly the most disappointing year from Apple in recent years.\nEach year's upgrade shrink in term of value but the price almost went up annually considering inflation.\nThe most impressive Apple product in recent years for me is... the M4 macbook air.\nWhile iphone updates are incremental, i still need them because of the iOS familiarity and camera upgrade.\n#96\nSerious question. Moi is long time android user, from Samsung to pixel. But lately, flagship phone too big and heavy. Iphone air appeals to me because it's light. Is it worth the switch?\n#97\nfugly\n10 chars..\nFirst time I say this. Really fugly. What happen to Apple design. Steve jobs will roll in his grave.\n#98\ni look see except for the design and camera placement, what is the difference between iphone 16 and 17? another fail launch by apple?\n#99\nSerious question. Moi is long time android user, from Samsung to pixel. But lately, flagship phone too big and heavy. Iphone air appeals to me because it's light. Is it worth the switch?\nPixel 10 pro is 206 grams.\niPhone 16 pro is 200 grams.\nAre you sure?\n#100\nso many industrial design and electrical engineers here","attrs_markdown":"- [Home](https:\/\/www.hardwarezone.com.sg\/)\n- [Forums](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/)\n  \n  [New posts](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/whats-new\/posts\/)\n- [What's new](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/whats-new\/)\n  \n  [New posts](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/whats-new\/posts\/) [Latest activity](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/whats-new\/latest-activity)\n\n[Log in](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)   [Register](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/register\/)\n\n[![HardwareZone Forums](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/hwz\/img\/hwz_logo.png)](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/)\n\n[Log in](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)   [Register](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/register\/)\n\n- [New posts](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/whats-new\/posts\/)\n\n- [Forums](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/)\n- [Lifestyle](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/categories\/lifestyle.15\/)\n- [Eat-Drink-Man-Woman](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/forums\/eat-drink-man-woman.16\/)\n\nJavaScript is disabled. 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It may not display this or other websites correctly.  \nYou should upgrade or use an [alternative browser](https:\/\/www.google.com\/chrome\/).\n\n# Apple iPhone 17 is out\n- Thread starter [testart](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/testart.550965\/)\n- Start date\n  [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/)\n\n[Prev](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-4)\n\n- [1](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/)\n- [2](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-2)\n- [3](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-3)\n- [4](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-4)\n- [5](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-5)\n- [6](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-6)\n- [7](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-7)\n- […](\"Go to page\")\n  #### Go to page\n  Go\n- [20](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-20)\n\n[Next](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-6)\n\n[First](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/ \"First\")   [Prev](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-4)   [5 of 20](\"Go to page\")\n\n#### Go to page\nGo\n\n[Next](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-6)   [Last](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/page-20 \"Last\")\n\n•••\n\n#### More options\n[Who Replied?](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/who-replied)\n\n[A](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/ahemahem.846801\/)\n\n#### [Ahemahem](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/ahemahem.846801\/)\n##### Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nApr 15, 2024\n\nMessages\n\n5,899\n\nReaction score\n\n3,131\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300507)\n\n- [\\#81](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300507)\n\nwill keep on using my ifone 16   \n until got really new features that impress me\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[GotBetrayed](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300507\/reactions)\n\n[N](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/niceusername.803630\/)\n\n#### [Niceusername](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/niceusername.803630\/)\n##### Member\n\nJoined\n\nSep 30, 2021\n\nMessages\n\n185\n\nReaction score\n\n34\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300545)\n\n- [\\#82](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300545)\n\n> [iosnewbie said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157300259)\n> \n> Wow! Yours still working? My ip7+ lightning port a bit siao siao now, sometimes can charge sometimes can’t. Its now sitting in my drawer. Using IP16PM as daily driver.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\ni took my mum's iphone 7+ to play around. but the battery draining is damn jialat and the phone get hot almost immediately. granted, she didnt change the battery since she started using the phone until now...\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n[![CanIsayNo](https:\/\/forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg\/data\/avatars\/m\/150\/150401.jpg?1616641801)](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/canisayno.150401\/)\n\n#### [CanIsayNo](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/canisayno.150401\/)\n##### High Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nFeb 23, 2004\n\nMessages\n\n38,735\n\nReaction score\n\n6,166\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300599)\n\n- [\\#83](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300599)\n\nmany people feel they need the best of the best but their real usage only utilises maybe 2\/3 of the power of the phone at most. so many want best camera but for their usage, they dont need the pro version lol. even the base model's cam is more than what they need\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[Hello\\_Kitty and GotBetrayed](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300599\/reactions)\n\n[A](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/akky85.451412\/)\n\n#### [Akky85](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/akky85.451412\/)\n##### Arch-Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nOct 14, 2010\n\nMessages\n\n16,324\n\nReaction score\n\n6,701\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300615)\n\n- [\\#84](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300615)\n\n> [swathe said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157299882)\n> \n> Apple fanboy gonna praised the Pro blindly again. This year's pro is very poor value.  \n>    \n>  Iphone 17 is same price, got thinner bezel, storage increase from 128 to 256, get 120 Hz display. Other stuff are insignificant like what camera improvements, glare coating.  \n>    \n>  Iphone 17 pro downgrade from titanium to cheap aluminium, everything else is the same or insignificant. Price increase by USD 100. Probably come SG increase by \\$150.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nNot all apple fanboy, i been using apple since the start and still is using and even i can tell this year's offering stink all the way to the dumps.  \n   \n This is prolly the most disappointing year from Apple in recent years.  \n   \n Each year's upgrade shrink in term of value but the price almost went up annually considering inflation.\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[jq75](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300615\/reactions)\n\n[A](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/akky85.451412\/)\n\n#### [Akky85](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/akky85.451412\/)\n##### Arch-Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nOct 14, 2010\n\nMessages\n\n16,324\n\nReaction score\n\n6,701\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300627)\n\n- [\\#85](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300627)\n\n> [joshwong11 said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157300489)\n> \n> feel like buying the iphone air leh... but camera sucks and top up abit can get pro max liao\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nThen u just fall into the marketing trap.  \n   \n Just buy what you need and not ''top up a bit can....''.\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[GotBetrayed, Tehtarikpie and joshwong11](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300627\/reactions)\n\n[![Ayumix6](https:\/\/forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg\/data\/avatars\/m\/341\/341974.jpg?1756203554)](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/ayumix6.341974\/)\n\n#### [Ayumix6](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/ayumix6.341974\/)\n##### Arch-Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nNov 12, 2008\n\nMessages\n\n22,208\n\nReaction score\n\n79,668\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300639)\n\n- [\\#86](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300639)\n\ncui why the body frame from titanium change to aluminum for the pro series ![🥴](https:\/\/cdn.jsdelivr.net\/joypixels\/assets\/6.5\/png\/unicode\/64\/1f974.png)  \n is just a mini upgrade from 16pro nia   \n if go by the older days of naming, this one is like iphone 16s series ![:ROFLMAO:](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nLast edited:\n\nSep 10, 2025\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[GotBetrayed](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300639\/reactions)\n\n[M](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/mechafanboy.616277\/)\n\n#### [Mechafanboy](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/mechafanboy.616277\/)\n##### Arch-Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nJan 31, 2014\n\nMessages\n\n12,430\n\nReaction score\n\n9,308\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300641)\n\n- [\\#87](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300641)\n\nWhat they thinking with the design? Money cannot buy class indeed.\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n[![Saltedcarameleslut](https:\/\/forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg\/data\/avatars\/m\/761\/761104.jpg?1616644223)](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/saltedcarameleslut.761104\/)\n\n#### [Saltedcarameleslut](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/saltedcarameleslut.761104\/)\n##### Master Member\n\nJoined\n\nSep 9, 2019\n\nMessages\n\n3,369\n\nReaction score\n\n1,000\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300647)\n\n- [\\#88](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300647)\n\n> [testart said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157299799)\n> \n> <https:\/\/www.apple.com\/sg\/iphone-17-pro\/>\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nwhat a freaking fugly phone! ![:vijayadmin:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/hwz\/img\/smilies\/avatar_vijay.png) ![:vijayadmin:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/hwz\/img\/smilies\/avatar_vijay.png) ![:vijayadmin:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/hwz\/img\/smilies\/avatar_vijay.png)\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Haha](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[testart](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300647\/reactions)\n\n[![cosmothecat](https:\/\/forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg\/data\/avatars\/m\/407\/407277.jpg?1743837217)](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/cosmothecat.407277\/)\n\n#### [cosmothecat](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/cosmothecat.407277\/)\n##### High Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nJan 13, 2010\n\nMessages\n\n33,705\n\nReaction score\n\n18,060\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300736)\n\n- [\\#89](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300736)\n\n> [jack-320 said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157300450)\n> \n> Expensive as compared to US price  \n>    \n>  sinkieland really impose tariffs on US goods  \n>    \n>  no wonder Trump wants to set 10% tariffs on sinkieland\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nYa, why like that?  \n   \n USA price = USD799 = SGD1050  \n   \n SG price = SGD1299  \n   \n are we carrots?![🥕](https:\/\/cdn.jsdelivr.net\/joypixels\/assets\/6.5\/png\/unicode\/64\/1f955.png)\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n[C](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/chenliling.810509\/)\n\n#### [chenliling](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/chenliling.810509\/)\n##### Junior Member\n\nJoined\n\nJan 11, 2022\n\nMessages\n\n91\n\nReaction score\n\n27\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300744)\n\n- [\\#90](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300744)\n\n> [testart said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157299799)\n> \n> <https:\/\/www.apple.com\/sg\/iphone-17-pro\/>\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nWell, I dont even care. Im still into android hahahaha\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Haha](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[testart](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300744\/reactions)\n\n[I](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/iosnewbie.658546\/)\n\n#### [iosnewbie](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/iosnewbie.658546\/)\n##### Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nSep 4, 2015\n\nMessages\n\n9,635\n\nReaction score\n\n2,939\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300749)\n\n- [\\#91](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300749)\n\nToo bad the iPhone Air is eSIM only. I still prefer physical SIM unless local telcos all offer seamless eSIM transfer without cost.\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n[E](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/erwinrommel.272894\/)\n\n#### [erwinrommel](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/erwinrommel.272894\/)\n##### High Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nSep 30, 2007\n\nMessages\n\n27,639\n\nReaction score\n\n3,018\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300803)\n\n- [\\#92](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300803)\n\nWill be getting the iPhone 17 Pro.   \n   \n Just shocked at the pricing discrepancy. It is selling for 1099 USD in US but 1749 in singapore.\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Like](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n- ![Wow](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[The\\_Davis, GotBetrayed and testart](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300803\/reactions)\n\n[![swathe](https:\/\/forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg\/data\/avatars\/m\/33\/33343.jpg?1616641617)](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/swathe.33343\/)\n\n#### [swathe](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/swathe.33343\/)\n##### Arch-Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nFeb 25, 2001\n\nMessages\n\n12,496\n\nReaction score\n\n2,509\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300805)\n\n- [\\#93](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300805)\n\n> [arcturuz said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157300215)\n> \n> optical zoom now is 8x leh\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nMinor improvement. Where is the innovation?   \n   \n Becoming like Nokia soon. Even more zoom have to shout out as major improvement. You agree?\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n[V](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/vincentlow82.652729\/)\n\n#### [Vincentlow82](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/vincentlow82.652729\/)\n##### Arch-Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nJun 13, 2015\n\nMessages\n\n22,288\n\nReaction score\n\n10,748\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300818)\n\n- [\\#94](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300818)\n\n> [cosmothecat said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157300736)\n> \n> Ya, why like that?  \n>    \n>  USA price = USD799 = SGD1050  \n>    \n>  SG price = SGD1299  \n>    \n>  are we carrots?![🥕](https:\/\/cdn.jsdelivr.net\/joypixels\/assets\/6.5\/png\/unicode\/64\/1f955.png)\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nThey can't tariff US iphone. Trump will get angry. So they tariff the rest of the world.\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n- ![Haha](data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)\n\nReactions:\n\n[philips107](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/posts\/157300818\/reactions)\n\n[E](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/erwinrommel.272894\/)\n\n#### [erwinrommel](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/erwinrommel.272894\/)\n##### High Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nSep 30, 2007\n\nMessages\n\n27,639\n\nReaction score\n\n3,018\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300855)\n\n- [\\#95](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300855)\n\n> [Akky85 said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157300615)\n> \n> Not all apple fanboy, i been using apple since the start and still is using and even i can tell this year's offering stink all the way to the dumps.  \n>    \n>  This is prolly the most disappointing year from Apple in recent years.  \n>    \n>  Each year's upgrade shrink in term of value but the price almost went up annually considering inflation.\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nThe most impressive Apple product in recent years for me is... the M4 macbook air.   \n   \n While iphone updates are incremental, i still need them because of the iOS familiarity and camera upgrade.\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n[S](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/sg_lancelot.340252\/)\n\n#### [sg\\_lancelot](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/sg_lancelot.340252\/)\n##### Senior Member\n\nJoined\n\nNov 2, 2008\n\nMessages\n\n662\n\nReaction score\n\n595\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300857)\n\n- [\\#96](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300857)\n\nSerious question. Moi is long time android user, from Samsung to pixel. But lately, flagship phone too big and heavy. Iphone air appeals to me because it's light. Is it worth the switch?\n\n[Report](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/login\/)\n\n[![zohn1999](https:\/\/forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg\/data\/avatars\/m\/782\/782298.jpg?1616644246)](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/zohn1999.782298\/)\n\n#### [zohn1999](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/members\/zohn1999.782298\/)\n##### Supremacy Member\n\nJoined\n\nOct 21, 2020\n\nMessages\n\n9,211\n\nReaction score\n\n4,487\n\n- [Sep 10, 2025](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300876)\n\n- [\\#97](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/threads\/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534\/post-157300876)\n\n> [euro2012 said:](https:\/\/forums.hardwarezone.com.sg\/goto\/post?id=157300098)\n> \n> fugly  \n>    \n>  10 chars..\n> \n> [Click to expand...]()\n\nFirst time I say this. Really fugly. What happen to Apple design. 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Boilerpipe Text	#81 will keep on using my ifone 16 until got really new features that impress me #82 Wow! Yours still working? My ip7+ lightning port a bit siao siao now, sometimes can charge sometimes can’t. Its now sitting in my drawer. Using IP16PM as daily driver. i took my mum's iphone 7+ to play around. but the battery draining is damn jialat and the phone get hot almost immediately. granted, she didnt change the battery since she started using the phone until now... #83 many people feel they need the best of the best but their real usage only utilises maybe 2/3 of the power of the phone at most. so many want best camera but for their usage, they dont need the pro version lol. even the base model's cam is more than what they need #84 Apple fanboy gonna praised the Pro blindly again. This year's pro is very poor value. Iphone 17 is same price, got thinner bezel, storage increase from 128 to 256, get 120 Hz display. Other stuff are insignificant like what camera improvements, glare coating. Iphone 17 pro downgrade from titanium to cheap aluminium, everything else is the same or insignificant. Price increase by USD 100. Probably come SG increase by $150. Not all apple fanboy, i been using apple since the start and still is using and even i can tell this year's offering stink all the way to the dumps. This is prolly the most disappointing year from Apple in recent years. Each year's upgrade shrink in term of value but the price almost went up annually considering inflation. #85 feel like buying the iphone air leh... but camera sucks and top up abit can get pro max liao Then u just fall into the marketing trap. Just buy what you need and not ''top up a bit can....''. #86 cui why the body frame from titanium change to aluminum for the pro series is just a mini upgrade from 16pro nia if go by the older days of naming, this one is like iphone 16s series Last edited: Sep 10, 2025 #87 What they thinking with the design? Money cannot buy class indeed. #89 Expensive as compared to US price sinkieland really impose tariffs on US goods no wonder Trump wants to set 10% tariffs on sinkieland Ya, why like that? USA price = USD799 = SGD1050 SG price = SGD1299 are we carrots? #90 Well, I dont even care. Im still into android hahahaha #91 Too bad the iPhone Air is eSIM only. I still prefer physical SIM unless local telcos all offer seamless eSIM transfer without cost. #92 Will be getting the iPhone 17 Pro. Just shocked at the pricing discrepancy. It is selling for 1099 USD in US but 1749 in singapore. #93 optical zoom now is 8x leh Minor improvement. Where is the innovation? Becoming like Nokia soon. Even more zoom have to shout out as major improvement. You agree? #94 Ya, why like that? USA price = USD799 = SGD1050 SG price = SGD1299 are we carrots? They can't tariff US iphone. Trump will get angry. So they tariff the rest of the world. #95 Not all apple fanboy, i been using apple since the start and still is using and even i can tell this year's offering stink all the way to the dumps. This is prolly the most disappointing year from Apple in recent years. Each year's upgrade shrink in term of value but the price almost went up annually considering inflation. The most impressive Apple product in recent years for me is... the M4 macbook air. While iphone updates are incremental, i still need them because of the iOS familiarity and camera upgrade. #96 Serious question. Moi is long time android user, from Samsung to pixel. But lately, flagship phone too big and heavy. Iphone air appeals to me because it's light. Is it worth the switch? #97 fugly 10 chars.. First time I say this. Really fugly. What happen to Apple design. Steve jobs will roll in his grave. #98 i look see except for the design and camera placement, what is the difference between iphone 16 and 17? another fail launch by apple? #99 Serious question. Moi is long time android user, from Samsung to pixel. But lately, flagship phone too big and heavy. Iphone air appeals to me because it's light. Is it worth the switch? Pixel 10 pro is 206 grams. iPhone 16 pro is 200 grams. Are you sure? #100 so many industrial design and electrical engineers here
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You should upgrade or use an [alternative browser](https://www.google.com/chrome/). # Apple iPhone 17 is out - Thread starter [testart](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/testart.550965/) - Start date [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/) [Prev](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-4) - [1](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/) - [2](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-2) - [3](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-3) - [4](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-4) - [5](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-5) - [6](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-6) - [7](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-7) - […]("Go to page") #### Go to page Go - [20](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-20) [Next](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-6) [First](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/ "First") [Prev](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-4) [5 of 20]("Go to page") #### Go to page Go [Next](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-6) [Last](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/page-20 "Last") ••• #### More options [Who Replied?](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/who-replied) [A](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/ahemahem.846801/) #### [Ahemahem](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/ahemahem.846801/) ##### Supremacy Member Joined Apr 15, 2024 Messages 5,899 Reaction score 3,131 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300507) - [\#81](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300507) will keep on using my ifone 16 until got really new features that impress me [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [GotBetrayed](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300507/reactions) [N](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/niceusername.803630/) #### [Niceusername](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/niceusername.803630/) ##### Member Joined Sep 30, 2021 Messages 185 Reaction score 34 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300545) - [\#82](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300545) > [iosnewbie said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157300259) > > Wow! Yours still working? My ip7+ lightning port a bit siao siao now, sometimes can charge sometimes can’t. Its now sitting in my drawer. Using IP16PM as daily driver. > > [Click to expand...]() i took my mum's iphone 7+ to play around. but the battery draining is damn jialat and the phone get hot almost immediately. granted, she didnt change the battery since she started using the phone until now... [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) [![CanIsayNo](https://forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg/data/avatars/m/150/150401.jpg?1616641801)](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/canisayno.150401/) #### [CanIsayNo](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/canisayno.150401/) ##### High Supremacy Member Joined Feb 23, 2004 Messages 38,735 Reaction score 6,166 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300599) - [\#83](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300599) many people feel they need the best of the best but their real usage only utilises maybe 2/3 of the power of the phone at most. so many want best camera but for their usage, they dont need the pro version lol. even the base model's cam is more than what they need [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [Hello\_Kitty and GotBetrayed](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300599/reactions) [A](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/akky85.451412/) #### [Akky85](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/akky85.451412/) ##### Arch-Supremacy Member Joined Oct 14, 2010 Messages 16,324 Reaction score 6,701 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300615) - [\#84](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300615) > [swathe said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157299882) > > Apple fanboy gonna praised the Pro blindly again. This year's pro is very poor value. > > Iphone 17 is same price, got thinner bezel, storage increase from 128 to 256, get 120 Hz display. Other stuff are insignificant like what camera improvements, glare coating. > > Iphone 17 pro downgrade from titanium to cheap aluminium, everything else is the same or insignificant. Price increase by USD 100. Probably come SG increase by \$150. > > [Click to expand...]() Not all apple fanboy, i been using apple since the start and still is using and even i can tell this year's offering stink all the way to the dumps. This is prolly the most disappointing year from Apple in recent years. Each year's upgrade shrink in term of value but the price almost went up annually considering inflation. [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [jq75](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300615/reactions) [A](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/akky85.451412/) #### [Akky85](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/akky85.451412/) ##### Arch-Supremacy Member Joined Oct 14, 2010 Messages 16,324 Reaction score 6,701 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300627) - [\#85](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300627) > [joshwong11 said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157300489) > > feel like buying the iphone air leh... but camera sucks and top up abit can get pro max liao > > [Click to expand...]() Then u just fall into the marketing trap. Just buy what you need and not ''top up a bit can....''. [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [GotBetrayed, Tehtarikpie and joshwong11](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300627/reactions) [![Ayumix6](https://forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg/data/avatars/m/341/341974.jpg?1756203554)](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/ayumix6.341974/) #### [Ayumix6](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/ayumix6.341974/) ##### Arch-Supremacy Member Joined Nov 12, 2008 Messages 22,208 Reaction score 79,668 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300639) - [\#86](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300639) cui why the body frame from titanium change to aluminum for the pro series ![🥴](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f974.png) is just a mini upgrade from 16pro nia if go by the older days of naming, this one is like iphone 16s series ![:ROFLMAO:](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Last edited: Sep 10, 2025 [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [GotBetrayed](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300639/reactions) [M](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/mechafanboy.616277/) #### [Mechafanboy](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/mechafanboy.616277/) ##### Arch-Supremacy Member Joined Jan 31, 2014 Messages 12,430 Reaction score 9,308 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300641) - [\#87](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300641) What they thinking with the design? Money cannot buy class indeed. [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) [![Saltedcarameleslut](https://forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg/data/avatars/m/761/761104.jpg?1616644223)](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/saltedcarameleslut.761104/) #### [Saltedcarameleslut](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/saltedcarameleslut.761104/) ##### Master Member Joined Sep 9, 2019 Messages 3,369 Reaction score 1,000 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300647) - [\#88](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300647) > [testart said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157299799) > > <https://www.apple.com/sg/iphone-17-pro/> > > [Click to expand...]() what a freaking fugly phone! ![:vijayadmin:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/hwz/img/smilies/avatar_vijay.png) ![:vijayadmin:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/hwz/img/smilies/avatar_vijay.png) ![:vijayadmin:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/hwz/img/smilies/avatar_vijay.png) [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Haha](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [testart](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300647/reactions) [![cosmothecat](https://forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg/data/avatars/m/407/407277.jpg?1743837217)](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/cosmothecat.407277/) #### [cosmothecat](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/cosmothecat.407277/) ##### High Supremacy Member Joined Jan 13, 2010 Messages 33,705 Reaction score 18,060 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300736) - [\#89](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300736) > [jack-320 said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157300450) > > Expensive as compared to US price > > sinkieland really impose tariffs on US goods > > no wonder Trump wants to set 10% tariffs on sinkieland > > [Click to expand...]() Ya, why like that? USA price = USD799 = SGD1050 SG price = SGD1299 are we carrots?![🥕](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f955.png) [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) [C](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/chenliling.810509/) #### [chenliling](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/chenliling.810509/) ##### Junior Member Joined Jan 11, 2022 Messages 91 Reaction score 27 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300744) - [\#90](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300744) > [testart said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157299799) > > <https://www.apple.com/sg/iphone-17-pro/> > > [Click to expand...]() Well, I dont even care. Im still into android hahahaha [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Haha](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [testart](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300744/reactions) [I](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/iosnewbie.658546/) #### [iosnewbie](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/iosnewbie.658546/) ##### Supremacy Member Joined Sep 4, 2015 Messages 9,635 Reaction score 2,939 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300749) - [\#91](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300749) Too bad the iPhone Air is eSIM only. I still prefer physical SIM unless local telcos all offer seamless eSIM transfer without cost. [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) [E](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/erwinrommel.272894/) #### [erwinrommel](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/erwinrommel.272894/) ##### High Supremacy Member Joined Sep 30, 2007 Messages 27,639 Reaction score 3,018 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300803) - [\#92](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300803) Will be getting the iPhone 17 Pro. Just shocked at the pricing discrepancy. It is selling for 1099 USD in US but 1749 in singapore. [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Like](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) - ![Wow](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [The\_Davis, GotBetrayed and testart](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300803/reactions) [![swathe](https://forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg/data/avatars/m/33/33343.jpg?1616641617)](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/swathe.33343/) #### [swathe](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/swathe.33343/) ##### Arch-Supremacy Member Joined Feb 25, 2001 Messages 12,496 Reaction score 2,509 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300805) - [\#93](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300805) > [arcturuz said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157300215) > > optical zoom now is 8x leh > > [Click to expand...]() Minor improvement. Where is the innovation? Becoming like Nokia soon. Even more zoom have to shout out as major improvement. You agree? [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) [V](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/vincentlow82.652729/) #### [Vincentlow82](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/vincentlow82.652729/) ##### Arch-Supremacy Member Joined Jun 13, 2015 Messages 22,288 Reaction score 10,748 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300818) - [\#94](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300818) > [cosmothecat said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157300736) > > Ya, why like that? > > USA price = USD799 = SGD1050 > > SG price = SGD1299 > > are we carrots?![🥕](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/6.5/png/unicode/64/1f955.png) > > [Click to expand...]() They can't tariff US iphone. Trump will get angry. So they tariff the rest of the world. [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) - ![Haha](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7) Reactions: [philips107](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/posts/157300818/reactions) [E](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/erwinrommel.272894/) #### [erwinrommel](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/erwinrommel.272894/) ##### High Supremacy Member Joined Sep 30, 2007 Messages 27,639 Reaction score 3,018 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300855) - [\#95](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300855) > [Akky85 said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157300615) > > Not all apple fanboy, i been using apple since the start and still is using and even i can tell this year's offering stink all the way to the dumps. > > This is prolly the most disappointing year from Apple in recent years. > > Each year's upgrade shrink in term of value but the price almost went up annually considering inflation. > > [Click to expand...]() The most impressive Apple product in recent years for me is... the M4 macbook air. While iphone updates are incremental, i still need them because of the iOS familiarity and camera upgrade. [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) [S](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/sg_lancelot.340252/) #### [sg\_lancelot](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/sg_lancelot.340252/) ##### Senior Member Joined Nov 2, 2008 Messages 662 Reaction score 595 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300857) - [\#96](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300857) Serious question. Moi is long time android user, from Samsung to pixel. But lately, flagship phone too big and heavy. Iphone air appeals to me because it's light. Is it worth the switch? [Report](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/login/) [![zohn1999](https://forums-media.hardwarezone.com.sg/data/avatars/m/782/782298.jpg?1616644246)](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/zohn1999.782298/) #### [zohn1999](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/members/zohn1999.782298/) ##### Supremacy Member Joined Oct 21, 2020 Messages 9,211 Reaction score 4,487 - [Sep 10, 2025](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300876) - [\#97](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/apple-iphone-17-is-out.7156534/post-157300876) > [euro2012 said:](https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/goto/post?id=157300098) > > fugly > > 10 chars.. > > [Click to expand...]() First time I say this. Really fugly. What happen to Apple design. Steve jobs will roll in his grave. 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