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[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4g2nPY-VZc)  [The Verge – 17 Nov 20](https://www.theverge.com/21570497/apple-macbook-pro-2020-m1-review "02:00PM - 17 November 2020") /cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22038526/akramer_201113_4290_0021.0.jpg) ### [Apple MacBook Pro with M1 review: flexing Arm](https://www.theverge.com/21570497/apple-macbook-pro-2020-m1-review) The fancier Apple Silicon laptop doesn’t offer much over the less expensive Air.  [anandtech.com](https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested)  ### [The 2020 Mac Mini Unleashed: Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test](https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested) 1 Like [Hardware purchases and hardware wish list](https://forum.devtalk.com/t/hardware-purchases-and-hardware-wish-list/3900/5) [bot](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/bot) 17 November 2020 17:40 2 - Corresponding [tweet](https://twitter.com/dev_talk/status/1328754788704595969) for this thread: - [Share link](https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=https://twitter.com/dev_talk/status/1328754788704595969&text=Apple%20M1%20Mac%20Reviews%20%23apple%20%23macbook%20%23mbp%20%23m1%20%23macbookpro%20%23macmini%20%23macbookair) for this tweet. 1 Like [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 17 November 2020 18:28 3 [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEaKQ0pxQsg) [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ6vX6nmboU) 1 Like [foxtrottwist](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/foxtrottwist) 17 November 2020 18:42 4 These look really awesome! Even though the MacBook Pro is not very pro, in reality my current MacBook Pro 13 only has 16 gigs of ram and two usb c ports. So it sounds like for some devs the performance would still be better depending on your needs. I use docker for work and that is currently a no go. Not to mention that it sounds like chrome, slack and other similar apps will of course be just as piggish.  2 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 17 November 2020 21:37 5 Couple more: [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTxZZ48FG4s) [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJqk2SMJmXc) And a quick demo  [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ib4oo5pPQ)  foxtrottwist: > These look really awesome! Even though the MacBook Pro is not very pro, in reality my current MacBook Pro 13 only has 16 gigs of ram and two usb c ports. So it sounds like for some devs the performance would still be better depending on your needs. > > I use docker for work and that is currently a no go. Not to mention that it sounds like chrome, slack and other similar apps will of course be just as piggish.  I’d definitely wait for now - unless it’s going to be your second machine or you know it’ll be able to run everything you need it to. In terms of performance, it seems a lot more ‘pro’ than the old 13" MBPs  Can’t wait to see the proper pro machines - like 16" MBP, Mac Pros, iMacs and hopefully the mid range monitor-less desktop that has been rumoured… 2 Likes [foxtrottwist](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/foxtrottwist) 17 November 2020 22:03 6  AstonJ: > In terms of performance, it seems I lot more ‘pro’ than the old 13" MBPs  Yeah that’s true I can’t do anything near that performant on my 13".  AstonJ: > Can’t wait to see the proper pro machines - like 16" MBP, Mac Pros, iMacs and hopefully the **mid range monitor-less desktop** that has been rumoured… Maybe something at least a little more affordable than a iMac Pro; plus a the ability to expand/upgrade.  Perhaps just a rumor but I can dream.  2 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 18 November 2020 04:32 7 The 13" MBP’s are not bad tbh - I used a 11" MBA for years! I loved that little machine  My first Mac was actually a cheesegrater Mac Pro, it was a beast of a machine but I didn’t like being tied to my desk all day. That’s what I loved about the MBA, it was such a personal machine - you could literally take it anywhere. I think my 16" hits the sweet spot, it’s good enough to use without an external monitor and powerful enough to use with multiple 5K or 2 6K monitors. It’s become my favourite now, particularly since they reduced the bezels. I’m really looking forward to seeing Apple bring out higher end units with these chips - I just hope the desktop version will allow users to upgrade their own RAM etc… 3 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 20 November 2020 00:24 8 Not really a review but basically what most people have been saying… [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNNTXd85VXo) 1 Like [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 20 November 2020 07:29 9 Yeah, I’m looking forward to it!   3 Likes [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 16 December 2020 07:32 10 Got mine last week!  It’s blazing fast! Like, incredibly. Of course, there’s a lot of development tools that still can’t be run natively, so most of what I do run through Rosetta 2, but even then it’s fast. 3 Likes [Hallski](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/Hallski) 16 December 2020 09:47 11 Got my MBA earlier this week and even after reading a lot about it I’m blown away. I had to reach for experimental VSCode for native support and haven’t got neovim and ripgrep to compile natively. But luckily for Advent of Code, Elixir/Erlang is native so everything runs twice as fast for that . 4 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 16 December 2020 20:22 12 Lucky sods!   ohm: > Of course, there’s a lot of development tools that still can’t be run natively, so most of what I do run through Rosetta 2, but even then it’s fast. How is the Ruby dev env Ohm? I upgraded to 11.1 but whenever I start a Rails console it still uses 100% of my cpu  think I’m gonna have to do another clean install.  Hallski: > Got my MBA earlier this week and even after reading a lot about it I’m blown away. That’s awesome Hallski\! I am wondering whether part of how people are perceiving the speed difference is due to Apple throttling ‘older’ (non Apple silicon) Macs. When I got this 16" MBP just over a year ago it was blazing fast - apps would open almost instantly, now there is a tangible difference/lag. There’s no reason why there should be - this machine has 64GB of RAM and a dedicated GPU and a fairly decent CPU. I am going to keep reporting these issues to Apple as bugs until they do something about it - wish me luck  1 Like [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 17 December 2020 14:07 13 I haven’t heard the fan in the MacBook yet.  It’s quite nice, but also much the same (thankfully) 3 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 17 December 2020 21:52 14 What spec was your 16" MBP Ohm? How does it compare? 1 Like [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 18 December 2020 08:19 15 Old MacBook Pro: ``` macOS Catalina (10.15.6) 2.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 1536 MB ``` New MacBook Pro: ``` macOS Big Sur (11.1) Apple M1 16 GB LPDDR4 Apple M1 ``` It seems to run my quick Ruby benchmarks a bit faster (56s vs 47s), however, that is the same Ruby (`2.7.2`) run through Rosetta 2 on the new MacBook Pro. Benchmark was just some random stuff: ``` require 'benchmark' input = ('a'..'z').map { |letter| [letter, letter] }.to_h puts Benchmark.measure { 10_000_000.times do input.map { |key, value| [key.to_sym, value] }.to_h end } ``` Oh, and the old MacBook Pro had to boot up the fan, while the new one stayed completely silent!  3 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 18 December 2020 14:01 16 How old was the old MBP and was it 15"? For some reason I thought you had a newer 16"? 16GB Ram is pushing it for a Mac these days - I have 64GB and some days it feels like I’m back on my MBA with 8GB!!  1 Like [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 18 December 2020 18:12 17 It’s a 13" 2018 MBP. My new one is also 13" (It’s the size that I rock!) 2 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 18 December 2020 18:17 18 Ah right I have no idea why I thought you had a 16" MBP  Isn’t it great that we can use tiny computers to do so much? I used to love my little 11" MBA and held on to it for as long as I could. I still have it, but the battery is totally knackered now\! 1 Like [Hallski](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/Hallski) 18 December 2020 20:08 19 Right there with you. My all time favorite was the MB12 with the MBA11 a close second. The new MBA13 is less of a perfect fit form wise but it has other redeeming factors (all of the in fact). 3 Likes [jc00ke](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/jc00ke) 21 December 2020 18:19 20  Hallski: > Elixir/Erlang is native [@Hallski](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/hallski) how’s the perf difference for Elixir? 3 Likes **[next page →](https://forum.devtalk.com/t/apple-m1-mac-reviews/4140?page=2)** - [Home](https://forum.devtalk.com/) - [Categories](https://forum.devtalk.com/categories) - [Guidelines](https://forum.devtalk.com/guidelines) - [Terms of Service](https://forum.devtalk.com/tos) - [Privacy Policy](https://forum.devtalk.com/privacy) Powered by [Discourse](https://www.discourse.org/), best viewed with JavaScript enabled ### Our Sponsors [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/pragprog) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/erlang-solutions) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/honeybadger) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/eef) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/coders51) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/manning) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/appsignal) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/wyeworks) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/pragmaticstudio) [](http://sponsors.devtalk.com/#info) - [Contact Us](https://devtalk.com/about) - [Help](https://forum.devtalk.com/faq) - [Back to top](https://forum.devtalk.com/t/apple-m1-mac-reviews/4140#top) © Copyright Devtalk [Terms](https://forum.devtalk.com/tos) [Privacy & Cookies](https://forum.devtalk.com/privacy)

17 November 2020 17:27 1 The reviews are coming in - if you spot any or have a review of your own, please add it  [@ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) will be pleased, they seem to be pretty positive so far\! [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4g2nPY-VZc) 1 Like [bot](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/bot) 17 November 2020 17:40 2 - Corresponding [tweet](https://twitter.com/dev_talk/status/1328754788704595969) for this thread: - [Share link](https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=https://twitter.com/dev_talk/status/1328754788704595969&text=Apple%20M1%20Mac%20Reviews%20%23apple%20%23macbook%20%23mbp%20%23m1%20%23macbookpro%20%23macmini%20%23macbookair) for this tweet. 1 Like [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 17 November 2020 18:28 3 [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEaKQ0pxQsg) [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ6vX6nmboU) 1 Like These look really awesome! Even though the MacBook Pro is not very pro, in reality my current MacBook Pro 13 only has 16 gigs of ram and two usb c ports. So it sounds like for some devs the performance would still be better depending on your needs. I use docker for work and that is currently a no go. Not to mention that it sounds like chrome, slack and other similar apps will of course be just as piggish.  2 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 17 November 2020 21:37 5 Couple more: [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTxZZ48FG4s) [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJqk2SMJmXc) And a quick demo  [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ib4oo5pPQ) I’d definitely wait for now - unless it’s going to be your second machine or you know it’ll be able to run everything you need it to. In terms of performance, it seems a lot more ‘pro’ than the old 13" MBPs  Can’t wait to see the proper pro machines - like 16" MBP, Mac Pros, iMacs and hopefully the mid range monitor-less desktop that has been rumoured… 2 Likes Yeah that’s true I can’t do anything near that performant on my 13". Maybe something at least a little more affordable than a iMac Pro; plus a the ability to expand/upgrade.  Perhaps just a rumor but I can dream.  2 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 18 November 2020 04:32 7 The 13" MBP’s are not bad tbh - I used a 11" MBA for years! I loved that little machine  My first Mac was actually a cheesegrater Mac Pro, it was a beast of a machine but I didn’t like being tied to my desk all day. That’s what I loved about the MBA, it was such a personal machine - you could literally take it anywhere. I think my 16" hits the sweet spot, it’s good enough to use without an external monitor and powerful enough to use with multiple 5K or 2 6K monitors. It’s become my favourite now, particularly since they reduced the bezels. I’m really looking forward to seeing Apple bring out higher end units with these chips - I just hope the desktop version will allow users to upgrade their own RAM etc… 3 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 20 November 2020 00:24 8 Not really a review but basically what most people have been saying… [](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNNTXd85VXo) 1 Like [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 20 November 2020 07:29 9 Yeah, I’m looking forward to it!   3 Likes [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 16 December 2020 07:32 10 Got mine last week!  It’s blazing fast! Like, incredibly. Of course, there’s a lot of development tools that still can’t be run natively, so most of what I do run through Rosetta 2, but even then it’s fast. 3 Likes [Hallski](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/Hallski) 16 December 2020 09:47 11 Got my MBA earlier this week and even after reading a lot about it I’m blown away. I had to reach for experimental VSCode for native support and haven’t got neovim and ripgrep to compile natively. But luckily for Advent of Code, Elixir/Erlang is native so everything runs twice as fast for that . 4 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 16 December 2020 20:22 12 Lucky sods!  How is the Ruby dev env Ohm? I upgraded to 11.1 but whenever I start a Rails console it still uses 100% of my cpu  think I’m gonna have to do another clean install. That’s awesome Hallski\! I am wondering whether part of how people are perceiving the speed difference is due to Apple throttling ‘older’ (non Apple silicon) Macs. When I got this 16" MBP just over a year ago it was blazing fast - apps would open almost instantly, now there is a tangible difference/lag. There’s no reason why there should be - this machine has 64GB of RAM and a dedicated GPU and a fairly decent CPU. I am going to keep reporting these issues to Apple as bugs until they do something about it - wish me luck  1 Like [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 17 December 2020 14:07 13 I haven’t heard the fan in the MacBook yet.  It’s quite nice, but also much the same (thankfully) 3 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 17 December 2020 21:52 14 What spec was your 16" MBP Ohm? How does it compare? 1 Like [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 18 December 2020 08:19 15 Old MacBook Pro: ``` macOS Catalina (10.15.6) 2.7 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3 Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 1536 MB ``` New MacBook Pro: ``` macOS Big Sur (11.1) Apple M1 16 GB LPDDR4 Apple M1 ``` It seems to run my quick Ruby benchmarks a bit faster (56s vs 47s), however, that is the same Ruby (`2.7.2`) run through Rosetta 2 on the new MacBook Pro. Benchmark was just some random stuff: ``` require 'benchmark' input = ('a'..'z').map { |letter| [letter, letter] }.to_h puts Benchmark.measure { 10_000_000.times do input.map { |key, value| [key.to_sym, value] }.to_h end } ``` Oh, and the old MacBook Pro had to boot up the fan, while the new one stayed completely silent!  3 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 18 December 2020 14:01 16 How old was the old MBP and was it 15"? For some reason I thought you had a newer 16"? 16GB Ram is pushing it for a Mac these days - I have 64GB and some days it feels like I’m back on my MBA with 8GB!!  1 Like [ohm](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/ohm) 18 December 2020 18:12 17 It’s a 13" 2018 MBP. My new one is also 13" (It’s the size that I rock!) 2 Likes [AstonJ](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/AstonJ) 18 December 2020 18:17 18 Ah right I have no idea why I thought you had a 16" MBP  Isn’t it great that we can use tiny computers to do so much? I used to love my little 11" MBA and held on to it for as long as I could. I still have it, but the battery is totally knackered now\! 1 Like [Hallski](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/Hallski) 18 December 2020 20:08 19 Right there with you. My all time favorite was the MB12 with the MBA11 a close second. The new MBA13 is less of a perfect fit form wise but it has other redeeming factors (all of the in fact). 3 Likes [jc00ke](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/jc00ke) 21 December 2020 18:19 20 [@Hallski](https://forum.devtalk.com/u/hallski) how’s the perf difference for Elixir? 3 Likes